So, what happened today?

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So only in high profile cases?
And I'm not limiting this to the trans debate, there are a lot of emotive issues around just now that are bsecoming more toxic as the weeks go on, whether it's the political divide, migrants, the Gazza and Israel situation or any number of other sensitive issues.
It's easy to rubbish the threats but look at the violence after the misinformation spread about that dance class attack, wouldn't you think that the situation that could easily get out of control?
Granted as far as I can remember there was no direct threat beforehand but it's not that long ago that the mp (cook?) was murdered in the street by someone who was upset (doesn't feel like a strong enough word for his heinous act) about some of these emotive issues.

I certainly was not deliberately misunderstanding you, for you this felt I quite a flippant attitude, not something I would expect from you.
Maybe I have misunderstood, but if I have it's not deliberate.

I think only solution is more accountability on social media companies (taking away the possibility of anonymity) and a more pro active attitude from the police. Neither are particularly likely.

I guess the underlying point is, with JK Rowling, I doubt she's truly in fear for her life, going public about that kind of thing is more about point scoring than anything. It's not possible to have the debate without it being implied that the trans community are some rabid bunch of murderous gangsters because of an apparent "death threat".

There's always been emotive issues but it's easier to shake the cage of everyone to get us all arguing with each other with technological "advancements". And it takes less effort than ever with AI writing clickbait articles or bots interfering with elections etc. It's a bit like police / government weakening the stance of a protest by infiltrating it and inciting violent acts, the lines become intentionally blurred and nobody knows who is on whose side and what's going on. Welcome to the post truth age. Safer to stay inside and be a sponge for adverts so you know which corporations to kindly give your well earned money to. Cynical? Me? Never!

 

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It’s ok I agree with Roy Keane a lot too

I think you have to take death threats seriously even if they’re unlikely to happen. Saying things and doing them are two different things of course it’s still despicable behaviour.

I’d say I’m more team Bill Maher than John Oliver. I don’t agree with his views on Israel or drugs, but he does at least speak to people on both sides and I fully agree that you have to engage with the other side rather than hating each other. He recently went to the White House to meet Trump despite there being no love lost between them.

Re John Oliver, Im baffled as to someone who I assume is very pro science get it so wrong about trans athletes. Surely anyone can see they retain physical advantages just by being bigger and stronger.

John Oliver draws JK Rowling’s fury over mockery of trans athletes debate

The ‘Last Week Tonight’ host argued there is no evidence trans athletes ‘pose any threat to safety or fairness’

www.independent.co.uk

Ugh "Fashionable anti women's rights positions", JK Rowling is a tool indeed. Most of the cast of Harry Potter and her loved ones might want her to stop embarrassing herself, but at least Dave from Hull thinks she's telling it like it is which is brave because you can't say anything these days as woke has ruined everything.

Any death threat should be taken seriously, but it's how you define it. If some tweets "burn in hell" to some politician responsible for genocide, is that a death threat? And there's different categories, someone seeking attention / hoping to intimidate / actually of a mindset of causing physical violence/ someone venting. As I said to Glasgow, it's on the social media companies who couldn't give a fudge and actually profit from making everyone froth at the mouth anyways...

Yeah we'll never agree on Maher, smarmy condescending old bloke with his finger miles off the pulse, but that's a subjective take of course!

 

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Ugh "Fashionable anti women's rights positions", JK Rowling is a tool indeed. Most of the cast of Harry Potter and her loved ones might want her to stop embarrassing herself, but at least Dave from Hull thinks she's telling it like it is which is brave because you can't say anything these days as woke has ruined everything.

Any death threat should be taken seriously, but it's how you define it. If some tweets "burn in hell" to some politician responsible for genocide, is that a death threat? And there's different categories, someone seeking attention / hoping to intimidate / actually of a mindset of causing physical violence/ someone venting. As I said to Glasgow, it's on the social media companies who couldn't give a fudge and actually profit from making everyone froth at the mouth anyways...

Yeah we'll never agree on Maher, smarmy condescending old bloke with his finger miles off the pulse, but that's a subjective take of course!

Her views are more grounded in facts and reality than Oliver’s though. As much as you would like people to be more mindful of other people’s feelings and be more politically correct, surely what’s true is ultimately is the most important thing in these kind of debates?

 

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Her views are more grounded in facts and reality than Oliver’s though. As much as you would like people to be more mindful of other people’s feelings and be more politically correct, surely what’s true is ultimately is the most important thing in these kind of debates?

Okay, the truth is entirely drawn from what the sex column on a birth certificate says, nothing else should be taken into consideration as how we view things in a binary form on bureaucratic forms is the ultimate gospel.

Other cultures that have historically recognised there being an in-between element of the two sexes are bathed in falsehoods because JK Rowling knows better. She should go and tell them!

I haven't seen any facts JK Rowling has posted tbh. I'm going to guess they're slanted over simplifications which lack any compassion or acknowledgement that if intersex people exist, it's quite likely that anomalies happen outside of just a physical manifestation...But fudge it, why try to understand or emphasise, just be a snidey Ben shapiro wannabe on the internet spouting that "facts don't care about your feelings" flimflam like you've said anything of note.

 

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Her views are more grounded in facts and reality than Oliver’s though. As much as you would like people to be more mindful of other people’s feelings and be more politically correct, surely what’s true is ultimately is the most important thing in these kind of debates?

they are not

Rowlings view is that trans women are repeatedly assaulting CIS women in public toilets up and down the country