Sick sick world what is wrong with people

[robp135]

I think, being an island with a limited amount of public services and infrastructure we need to have a clear immigration policy and make sure it is handled well

What should that look like and should he only be implemented if the wider public are on board? Meaning it’s a platform for a political party that gains power.

 

[thfcsteff]

Why do you only highlight events when the criminal isn't white or British?

That's rhetorical - it's because you're a racist.
I feel sorry for your daughter.

Mate.
Come on.

 

[robp135]

Certainly not his nationality or race.

Well what then?

Still waiting for your sources on your claim btw.

I’m not deliberatly avoiding I genuinely don’t know what claim you are referring to can you quote it back it me?

 

[tommysvr]

Well what then?

Hold up, so you’re saying it was his nationality or race?

 

[thfcsteff]

Why?

Because it is directly provocative and achieves nothing of any positivity here. It simply drives a bigger wedge.

Real life is real, not just when it's convenient.

Come on, you're a smart person, this has NOTHING to do with 'convenience'. It has everything to do with reactivity.

I do feel sorry for Marky's daughter having a racist for a father.
The adults get to choose their relationships, the children don't.

Sorry, these sorts of hard definitions are part of where the problems and divide come from. I am VERY uncomfortable throwing labels around about people we don't know outside this forum. I don't know Marky from anywhere other than this forum. We clearly disagree on several issues, but I personally would not throw labels on him whatsoever, and I personally don't think bringing people's families into any opinion one might want to share is in order at all.

That's my 'why' and I think if you take a step back, you might arrive at a similar conclusion.

 

[thfcsteff]

So I’ve deliberately ignored this thread in the past few days as it just felt a good time too, but let’s see if I can put this across.

Rob, you asked who I mean when I talk about the people causing this - Glenda summed it up pretty well tbh, and beat me to it before I saw your reply. Essentially those who profit from people in society pointing the finger at each other rather than realising where the real con men who use hate to their own means are.

There is a mix in this thread and I like to try and stay true to myself rather than having a ‘side’ as it were. I would sum my side up as just not being a racist, and honestly, I don’t think it’s that difficult if I’m honest. There are scum bags out there of all colours, backgrounds and religions. I don’t think anyone is a scum bag BECAUSE of their religion or skin colour, and I really don’t think that view is one which requires rocket science.

This idea that a more horrific crime (which this is in Belfast btw) is some sort of ‘gotcha’ moment that proves a point is nonsense to me. We’re led to believe he tried to cut this guys eyes out… now, anyone that does that isn’t a well human being. That level of aggression and let’s call it …nastiness. That isn’t something that is just readily programmed in. Whilst we should all be able to work it out, let’s make it clear because there are a couple of actual racists on this site, the Qu’ran, nor any other holy book or text tells you to cut people’s eyes out in this manner either.

My point being, these attacks aren’t carried out because of someone’s religion, they’re carried out by really truly nasty and unwell individuals. All of these people saying certain religions cause this, seem to forget the millions of people who live in this country who DONT commit the same crime and don’t follow this behaviour.

I will agree in many ways to the idea that there has become a bit of a trait on here that we get a post about someone who follows a certain religion committing a crime, and it’s then followed up by balancing this with “this person committed a crime too” and I think in the most part this is meant to be to show that anyone is able to commit these crimes and that again it isn’t beaded on religion, colour or background, however it can at times feel like a competition even if it isn’t intended.

It comes back to my point, anyone is capable of these crimes.

I do think there are a few people here who have their beliefs, and I believe that they are set amongst some quite obvious racism. I think they don’t actually care about the individual harmed, they’re just enjoying the fact they can hold it up as evidence that apparently, proves their belief. Weirdly, if you say that you don’t think a persons religion makes them a bad person, you’re a ‘lefty’ and if you say you think there’s problems around immigration in this country you must be an automatic right winger.

Weird thing being, I think, being an island with a limited amount of public services and infrastructure we need to have a clear immigration policy and make sure it is handled well and yet, I don’t think immigrants are the source of all evil and we should send them all back to various countries and blame them for all the countries problems, so funny enough you don’t have to fit into a camp. I just believe in individuals and don’t think you’re evil because you follow a certain religion. This sound a bit “I have friends who are black” but I have friends who follow Islam, and you know what they’ve never done? Tried to murder me or cut my eyes out… so it can’t be the religion and nothing else can it?

Equally, I don’t have any friends who are sex offenders… and yet I don’t think we should deport everyone who works for the BBC either.

The worst bit is, they’re winning. You see it even in what I’m typing… there’s “lefty’s” now, and there’s “right wingers” too. There’s “us” and there’s “immigrants” there’s always an us and a them, and you know what when all this goes wherever it goes, there will be someone else too. It’ll never be enough, we could deport everyone on sight, but if we do it will be disabled people, or women, or redheads, the left handed…. There will always be someone who these agitators, the people causing this division, this hate, will want you to look at and blame, because when you do, you won’t be looking at them.

Racism isn’t something you’re born with, it is always a learnt behaviour. It’s something that doesn’t need to exist and yet sadly does. It’s beyond shameful that people are putting balaclavas on and going to people’s homes to see which colour the people living there are, that isn’t something which should still be happening in 2026, it’s people pushing fear and hatred and it’s taking us I fear to a very dark place - that doesn’t mean that this attack on this person in Belfast isn’t abhorrent, it absolutely is. Being pushed toward a racist society where we see who can live in more fear isn’t the answer though.

Genuinely hope everyone is well tonight, and I hope you also know neither your skin colour nor your religion is the problem here.

Have to say I agree with so much of this. Addressing the bold-faced above...I actually think we have some people who are angry/fearful and fed rhetoric which exacerbates that. I might be naive, but I don't think we have any stone-cold racists on this forum; I think we have some people who need better and clearer information and perspective. Which let's face it, is very hard to find. And to the end of your point, those polar definitions absolutely destroy ANY hope for middle ground discussion about issues such as immigration, religion, nationality, multiculturalism. We end up with block statements (born of fear IMO) that 'multiculturalism doesn't work' (when all the evidence clearly, clearly shows it does), and on and on...

Like you, I really hope everyone can take a step back and stop throwing s hit at each other. It's getting ugly out there because some hardline ar seholes are manipulating horrific actions and tragedies as and when they choose.

A final thought...mental health is at an absolute crisis point globally right now. Covid and now the continual degradation of societies by a few extraordinarily rich and powerful 'people' resulting in millions getting poorer and finding life harder. Lines crack wider, things which barely held together fall apart...and those issues, mental health and poverty, are not interested in where you're from or what you believe. They come for you regardless. And until we stop acting like cannibals, until we see who and what is doing this to all of us, I fear the journey is going to get worse.

Let's TRY to make a stand here can we??? Now apologies, I have to go and get my lentil stew which requires uncrossing my legs on this pillow

 

[robp135]

Hold up, so you’re saying it was his nationality or race?

Sudan is a poor war torn country with limited education. People that grew up in that environment tend to be more violent. It’s rare for anyone to be capable of that level of violence without some level of trauma likely in childhood. So yes someone that is Sudanese is more likely to carry out an act that violent than someone born into a safe country.