AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
You posted a link to Instagram - wrong generation, I'm afraid.
I just watched as far as the word genocide, that's as much as I needed to see to prove my point.
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You posted a link to Instagram - wrong generation, I'm afraid.
I just watched as far as the word genocide, that's as much as I needed to see to prove my point.
“Yaaaaaa, I hear there’s a march happening, let’s go.Ladies and gentlemen(?) May I present to you, your London-based, anti-Semitic protesters in all their glory:
If only some of the pricks on this board read your post maybe they'd understand instead of spewing rhetoric and words they'd struggle to defineIt does seem unnecessary that everyone is trying to jump in on remembrance weekend. Unless that is the plan? Why not make the protest the weekend before or after?
People absolutely should protest about the plight of innocent people in Gaza. Is there a lack of knowledge and understanding (on both sides)? Without doubt. It is quite easy to 'auto-support' Palastine, as they are the underdog, trapped and impoverished side. But there is a whole complexity to the situation. Not least that Israel was attacked by fundamentalists who control Gaza. Not least Gaza only exists as a semi-autonomous state now because Israel was attacked in the 1960s. And it was part of Egypt prior, who doesn't want it back now. Do the people on these marches even consider this? It doesn't seem like many even know, let alone build a fair and balanced view. You have Queers for Palestine when Palestine has banned gay people for decades, and people not even aware Hamas went on a murder spree in Israel; so no wonder many don't appreciate some of the more nuanced complex history. But when peace comes it will be from an understanding of both sides' issues, so it seems these marches could be creating greater entrenchment without understanding. Resulting in deeper division and more anger.
Erm, I don't think you need to be aware of the history of the Israeli/Palestine conflict to be repulsed and devastated by pictures of dying and seriously injured children or children traumatized by watching their families and friends destroyed by the machinery of war.
History comes second as far as I am concerned. The here and now is what matters in particular, protecting vulnerable people. I would have thought that is a gut reaction for most normal human beings. And doesn't matter if those children are Israeli, Palestinian or martian.
So I don't go on marches but I would happily shout that from the rooftops. I am sure there are lots on the marches who don't understand all the ins and outs of the conflict. But they are moved by children suffering.
Edit: we are about to remember people who have lost their lives because of conflicts. I really struggle to see some of those on here apparently defending remembrance Sunday while at the same time making fun of or criticising people marching for peace. And many will not even see the contradiction.
When you say the history comes second... at what point are we drawing a line at 'history'? The afternoon of October 7th? Today? You can't have a terror attack on your country and immediately start saying that it's history can you??Erm, I don't think you need to be aware of the history of the Israeli/Palestine conflict to be repulsed and devastated by pictures of dying and seriously injured children or children traumatized by watching their families and friends destroyed by the machinery of war.
History comes second as far as I am concerned. The here and now is what matters in particular, protecting vulnerable people. I would have thought that is a gut reaction for most normal human beings. And doesn't matter if those children are Israeli, Palestinian or martian.
So I don't go on marches but I would happily shout that from the rooftops. I am sure there are lots on the marches who don't understand all the ins and outs of the conflict. But they are moved by children suffering.
Edit: we are about to remember people who have lost their lives because of conflicts. I really struggle to see some of those on here apparently defending remembrance Sunday while at the same time making fun of or criticising people marching for peace. And many will not even see the contradiction.
I believe I stated that I, and I would think I am not different to many, am repulsed by children being victims of war on whichever side they happen to fall. I was equally devastated by the brutality of Hamas on the Israeli children as I am of the pictures of Palestinian children suffering. I don't make a distinction. I want all children to be protected from conflict.it depends if you are interested in resolution and peace and being part of that effort. Every humane person is repulsed by death and suffering. This is a devastating reality on both sides is it not? If you’re only repulsed by the suffering on one side then you are part of the problem.
it depends if you are interested in resolution and peace and being part of that effort. Every humane person is repulsed by death and suffering. This is a devastating reality on both sides is it not? If you’re only repulsed by the suffering on one side then you are part of the problem.
I believe I stated that I, and I would think I am not different to many, am repulsed by children being victims of war on whichever side they happen to fall. I was equally devastated by the brutality of Hamas on the Israeli children as I am of the pictures of Palestinian children suffering. I don't make a distinction. I want all children to be protected from conflict.
I'm not seeing anyone on this thread who has not been repulsed by atrocities on both "sides", I'm guessing it's more of a general rhetorical question?
It's been thrown around that posters are pro hamas and whilst we should cut posters some slack who are personally caught up in it there should be a line in terms of stomping around calling everyone tossers, posting propaganda and avoiding any attempt at genuine discussions or difficult questions. It doesn't add to the discourse for those for are genuinely wanting to learn about what's going on.
If you think they're marching for peace then you're not paying attention.Erm, I don't think you need to be aware of the history of the Israeli/Palestine conflict to be repulsed and devastated by pictures of dying and seriously injured children or children traumatized by watching their families and friends destroyed by the machinery of war.
History comes second as far as I am concerned. The here and now is what matters in particular, protecting vulnerable people. I would have thought that is a gut reaction for most normal human beings. And doesn't matter if those children are Israeli, Palestinian or martian.
So I don't go on marches but I would happily shout that from the rooftops. I am sure there are lots on the marches who don't understand all the ins and outs of the conflict. But they are moved by children suffering.
Edit: we are about to remember people who have lost their lives because of conflicts. I really struggle to see some of those on here apparently defending remembrance Sunday while at the same time making fun of or criticising people marching for peace. And many will not even see the contradiction.
You don't think this is a valid point? For me it cuts to the heart of the division. Of ingroups, who back their own. Fueling a sense of injustice fed by images and stories of devastation caused to their side. Depending on your ingroup you relate to the poor souls who have suffered, whilst glossing over the suffering of the other side. There is indulgence - when it suits you - and ambivalence when it does not.
If you don't think that's an issue, maybe I have it wrong.
And as long as there are people posting these kinds of divisive generalisations, there will never be any form of compromise/peace in the middle east. Murder and destruction will continue unabated both of Israelis and Palestinians. But I guess you know that already . What a shame you have to resort to Islamaphobia to make your point. I am sure you are better than that.If you think they're marching for peace then you're not paying attention.
These people are marching for the eradication of what their gay-hating, paedophilia-loving sky fairy has told them is their enemy. Some are just plain old, 1930s antisemites. The rest are their useful idiots.
Those we are remembering died defending us from people like those marching.
Not just Islam - there's your standard 1930s Germany style of anti-Semites in there too.And as long as there are people posting these kinds of divisive generalisations, there will never be any form of compromise/peace in the middle east. Murder and destruction will continue unabated both of Israelis and Palestinians. But I guess you know that already . What a shame you have to resort to Islamaphobia to make your point. I am sure you are better than that.
Would you be able to explain what the emboldened phrase means please?It's absolutely a valid point, be disgusted by all of it or none of it. It's all a brick show where humanity lets itself down and innocent people suffer. But, again, I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas' actions yet that accusation has been thrown around on here by one poster in particular. I'm wary of being a hypocrite as I can get a bit heated on much more trivial matters but when possible it's best to have a discussion in good faith without resorting to insults or false accusations (obviously not aimed at yourself).
FWIW there's also been the standard vile misuse of the term anti-Semitism, it's obviously rife and is a massive problem but to label everyone who attends a pro peace match as anti semitic is ridiculous. But it's from posters who there is just no point debating with on such matters. It's like the suggestion that any criticism of Israeli government must be born of antisemitism, it absolutely could be but there's plenty of Jewish people that don't back certain actions taken and also have attended the marches hoping to reach a ceasefire (even if it's not feasible that Hamas will truly adhere to one, I'll say it myself before someone jumps at the chance).
Do you have a link? I think there's some deepfakes going round at the momentSo Khan, London's wonderful Mayor said today that Remembrance weekend should be moved to next weekend as the Palestine marches are more important and more current
You’re as bad at fact-checking as you are exceptional at sharing far-right nonsenseSo Khan, London's wonderful Mayor said today that Remembrance weekend should be moved to next weekend as the Palestine marches are more important and more current