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Les Medley
I'm an atheist, but I actually hope I wrong - because I'd like a little chat with GHod, I have some things that need addressing with that tacoWatching the ch4 doc on Belsen…fudges sake..fudges sake.
There is no GHod.
I'm an atheist, but I actually hope I wrong - because I'd like a little chat with GHod, I have some things that need addressing with that tacoWatching the ch4 doc on Belsen…fudges sake..fudges sake.
There is no GHod.
Wasn't his dad involved in the Rwandan genocide, if he was, he probably hasn't had a normal childhood thenHe wasn't born evil. He doesn't seem to have experienced any specific childhood trauma to get there. I do think it might be important to understand how & why he got to where he did.
I hadn't heard that.Wasn't his dad involved in the Rwandan genocide, if he was, he probably hasn't had a normal childhood then
I hadn't heard that.
Involved as in fled persecution or involved as in was a perpetrator?
That would explain why I hadn't heard it - reputable and fact based reporting Vs ...the other!This is unsubstantiated and probably libel
That would explain why I hadn't heard it - reputable and fact based reporting Vs ...the other!
The only question that needs asking is whether it's cheaper to the taxpayer to hang him or house him.Circa £50k pa for a prisoner. He'll probably just be on the vulnerable prisoners wing.
Appx £2.5m (based on 50 years and excl inflation)
In general I'm anti death penalty. But there is a very narrow window where the guilt is so definite and crime so evil that it might be right.
That said, someone made a good point - the death penalty is a lot easier sentence than life imprisonment.
I have philosophical questions - what is the point in keeping him in prison for life? What is the purpose of his life now? Prison is for public protection, with the goal of reintegration into society. Well, the public are protected by him being behind bars. But there is no scope for rehabilitation into society.
Perhaps the only hope is that he becomes a better human and helps in prison?
I do wonder if he should be phycologically studied. I'm 50/50 about whether his no remorse comments and court actions have some truth in or are just manipulation.
He wasn't born evil. He doesn't seem to have experienced any specific childhood trauma to get there. I do think it might be important to understand how & why he got to where he did.
"$23,000 per person in Arkansas to $307,468 in Massachusetts. Spending in Massachusetts was more than double any other state; the median state spent $64,865 per prisoner for the year."The only question that needs asking is whether it's cheaper to the taxpayer to hang him or house him.
I believe that in the US it's cheaper to house, but that's probably much to do with prisoners working and earning their keep.
Like I said, the only good argument is that it would be cheaper than the alternative."$23,000 per person in Arkansas to $307,468 in Massachusetts. Spending in Massachusetts was more than double any other state; the median state spent $64,865 per prisoner for the year."
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How much do states spend on prisoners? | USAFacts
Southern states spend the least per inmate and have some of the highest incarceration rates in the nation.usafacts.org
Not much of a difference at the median level.
And that's without the UK have abhorrent practices like forced labour. Loss of liberty is the punishment, which the secondary element for incarceration behind Protection of the Public, and before rehabilitation (which the UK is very poor at).
Re; this particular person. It is very hard to make any argument In favour of keeping him in prison (obviously except the fact we don't have the death penalty, so it's just theoretical) - what is the purpose of feeding him?
What is the purpose of having prison staff do their duty in relation to him? It's a very odd position, one that seems to have only negative outcomes.
Maybe it's about our humanity holistically. Which is a fair point. But isn't that cancelled out by the experiences the prison officers, medical teams, other inmates etc will have to endure?
I suspect his court outburst re: illness will be a regular occurrence and he'll spend a lot of time in the segregation unit.
My instinct is that he is severely mentally ill and should be treated as such.
I suspect some kind of future hearing on that basis and a move to Rampton or Ashworth.
That said, I've seen those eyes and behaviour on others in high level manipulation.
Spurs fans commenting levy out on an instagram post about holocaust memorial has actually made me sick. If anyone on here felt that was appropriate then honestly you disgust me.
Definitely don't need an enquiry. Especially not if you're an MP for a constituency with a large Muslim population.
Its fcking weird for anyone to see that post and want to use it to peddle the Levy Out stuff
Some people are so thick that they can't separate this stuff...........
Definitely don't need an enquiry. Especially not if you're an MP for a constituency with a large Muslim population.
MPs are fairly gutless and want to hold on to their constituencies.What difference has that ever made? Genuinely curious as I don't know, but do you have any evidence at all that it's actually ever happened?
Build more prisons, put them in them and 30 years in a prison cell with just an hours exercise a day.
MPs are fairly gutless and want to hold on to their constituencies.
Those shouting loudest about not wanting an enquiry are in constituencies where many votes (and especially women's postal votes) can swing on the say so of a "community leader"