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Set Pieces

In fairness to Vicario not coming off his line to battle through the bodies in front of him.
Just look at World Cup Winner Emi Martinez here.
51 seconds on the video.
Martinez is standing 5 yards out with nobody in front of him; instead of taking 1 step and claiming the ball, he scurries back into his goal to flail at the ball.
So stupid.
 
Bullet said:
In fairness to Vicario not coming off his line to battle through the bodies in front of him.
Just look at World Cup Winner Emi Martinez here.
51 seconds on the video.
Martinez is standing 5 yards out with nobody in front of him; instead of taking 1 step and claiming the ball, he scurries back into his goal to flail at the ball.
So stupid.
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Martinez isn’t as good as the hype either
Vicario can come good for us. He needs to do what he did first half of last season where we never concede a set piece
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Martinez isn’t as good as the hype either
Vicario can come good for us. He needs to do what he did first half of last season where we never concede a set piece
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Vicario is a very good keeper. The he's bad at set pieces is a red herring, the defense can do with him coming for more/earlier and I think it's been clear he's been trying to do that.

This flimflam that you can foul/inhibit the keeper when the ball isn't close or the players isn't playing the ball is something has never been allowed, even back in the day when you could basically murder people and not get a card on the pitch, because the keeper cannot "be strong" when his feet are off the ground, nor can he adapt when trying to set his feet and being shoved.

Look at City's goal against Wolves, Silva absolutely fouls the keeper, then when the ball gets to his attacker pulls away, how the fudge is the keeper supposed to recover, make up ground?

The only fudging reason this is a thing is because City started this (Against us in FA cup) and the FA doesn't have the balls to admit it should never have been allowed.
 
Raziel said:
Vicario is a very good keeper. The he's bad at set pieces is a red herring, the defense can do with him coming for more/earlier and I think it's been clear he's been trying to do that.

This flimflam that you can foul/inhibit the keeper when the ball isn't close or the players isn't playing the ball is something has never been allowed, even back in the day when you could basically murder people and not get a card on the pitch, because the keeper cannot "be strong" when his feet are off the ground, nor can he adapt when trying to set his feet and being shoved.

Look at City's goal against Wolves, Silva absolutely fouls the keeper, then when the ball gets to his attacker pulls away, how the fudge is the keeper supposed to recover, make up ground?

The only fudging reason this is a thing is because City started this (Against us in FA cup) and the FA doesn't have the balls to admit it should never have been allowed.
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Lots of people used to moan that keepers got too much protection. Now they instead moan that keepers don't get enough protection.

Keepers get to use their hands, they already have enough of an advantage.
 
Raziel said:
Vicario is a very good keeper. The he's bad at set pieces is a red herring, the defense can do with him coming for more/earlier and I think it's been clear he's been trying to do that.

This flimflam that you can foul/inhibit the keeper when the ball isn't close or the players isn't playing the ball is something has never been allowed, even back in the day when you could basically murder people and not get a card on the pitch, because the keeper cannot "be strong" when his feet are off the ground, nor can he adapt when trying to set his feet and being shoved.

Look at City's goal against Wolves, Silva absolutely fouls the keeper, then when the ball gets to his attacker pulls away, how the fudge is the keeper supposed to recover, make up ground?

The only fudging reason this is a thing is because City started this (Against us in FA cup) and the FA doesn't have the balls to admit it should never have been allowed.
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I think he is exceptional at some things
And has last his bottle on others
I thought he came loads for the ball first half of last season
The city game broke him
He needs do grow the confidence back and come for everything
He has height, arms, hands and can use that to help him
 
Finney Is Back said:
Lots of people used to moan that keepers got too much protection. Now they instead moan that keepers don't get enough protection.

Keepers get to use their hands, they already have enough of an advantage.
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It's not NFL/Rugby mate

- I have no issue challenging the keeper for the ball, that is not what is happening
- What is happening is opposition players, in a set piece make a run (regardless of where ball is) with the sole intention of blocking the keeper.

Take a look at the following clips

Foul 1.JPG

Basically the play is -> ball swinging out to approximately penalty spot area, City has designated a player to stay offside, block the keeper from either coming early for the ball or setting his feet for the save

Now take a look at the goal

Foul 2.JPG

Literally the offside player gets to pull off keeper at last moment and duck (fudging knows he's interfering with play)

but hey, he's not interfering with goal (he has to fudging duck), and the keeper "wasn't strong enough" .. flimflam
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think he is exceptional at some things
And has last his bottle on others
I thought he came loads for the ball first half of last season
The city game broke him
He needs do grow the confidence back and come for everything
He has height, arms, hands and can use that to help him
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He's an elite level shot stopper. I'd also ask you to name (in two years) how many fudgeups he's made that caused a goal (last year the answer statistically was zero), compare that to whoever you think is elite

The City game has cause everyone to re-think how to defend, see my point above, if you are allowed to just foul the keeper regardless of where the ball or ball trajectory is, this isn't about using height or hands ..

I would agree at the end of last season, he seemed a bit more stuck to his line, I haven't seen that this season.
 
Raziel said:
He's an elite level shot stopper. I'd also ask you to name (in two years) how many fudgeups he's made that caused a goal (last year the answer statistically was zero), compare that to whoever you think is elite

The City game has cause everyone to re-think how to defend, see my point above, if you are allowed to just foul the keeper regardless of where the ball or ball trajectory is, this isn't about using height or hands ..

I would agree at the end of last season, he seemed a bit more stuck to his line, I haven't seen that this season.
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He stays on his line a lot for set pieces
Too much imo
He didn’t do that first half of last season
He cleaned people out and everyone knew where they stood in our defence
So you’re saying the goals at Everton away weren’t his mistake?
 
Venom isn't being pushed by a backup keeper either. Even though Austin and Whiteman have been given new contracts in the last year or so, it's still Forster that is sitting on our bench.

I'm intrigued to see how our trio or quartet of senior keepers develops in the next year or so.
 
Another game where we don't concede from a corner. And we score from a corner.

Methinks the coaching staff actually do train these, and they do matter, and actually is interested in them.

Our record must be really excellent by now.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Sarr's goal from a cleverly worked attacking corner too. We had tried a similiar one a few mins before as well
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it was a curling, perfectly weighted grounder from kulusevski too - it was just asking for a clean contact from sarr.... but what a calm and perfect contact it was for a powerful curling shot into goal
 
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