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Saido Berahino

Have just noticed that this thread has 98 pages. Biggest ever GG thread about a player who isn't and never has been ours???

As for Berahino, I wonder if we'd ever want to go in for him again considering hs twitter outburst. Always said f we were to get him he'd be for two seasons tops until he started protesting for a move away.
 
Anyone remember when we signed Dembèlè?

A member of the Fulham board told their fans how not only did Utd bid less they offered the usual installments. Our offer on the other hand was one lump sum which stunned them, he said it's very rare in football for a any transfer fee to be paid in one go.

Installments have always been the name of the game.
 
Peace wanted a 'Stone's' type bid IMHO...
London club in Europe! rich bastards!.....£30m AND half upfront for our 'England international'. Cant blame him, we all dream.
I would have not been happy to over £25m for Saido and that pushing it. As for the installments, that was red herring as was the time to get a replacement.
Don't think pragmatism is his strong point.

Exactly, he was looking for an unrealistic fee, which is his prerogative, however he's tinkled off his player to the point he's effectively gone on strike and tinkled off his manager, who only last year resigned from palace for a similar issue. There is now zero chance of berahino signing a contract extension with them so he's in the process of running down his contract.

He could have had, let's say for arguments sake, 22/25m to strengthen his squad with, now he has a player not willing to play for them and realistically it'll be Oct before you see him play for wba again at least and even then will he be committed?

I said last week that if Saido is still at WBA on sep 2nd then Peace will be kicking himself and nothing I've heard or read in the last day has made me think otherwise. He's really just cut his nose off to spite his face. When levy stopped modric it was because Chelsea were a London rival and positional rival, he had just signed a contract extension, so there was no need to sell. None of that applies to WBA.
 
Exactly, he was looking for an unrealistic fee, which is his prerogative, however he's tinkleed off his player to the point he's effectively gone on strike and tinkleed off his manager, who only last year resigned from palace for a similar issue. There is now zero chance of berahino signing a contract extension with them so he's in the process of running down his contract.

He could have had, let's say for arguments sake, 22/25m to strengthen his squad with, now he has a player not willing to play for them and realistically it'll be Oct before you see him play for wba again at least and even then will he be committed?

I said last week that if Saido is still at WBA on sep 2nd then Peace will be kicking himself and nothing I've heard or read in the last day has made me think otherwise. He's really just cut his nose off to spite his face. When levy stopped modric it was because Chel53a were a London rival and positional rival, he had just signed a contract extension, so there was no need to sell. None of that applies to WBA.

Spot on

I was keen for us to get Saido to help Kane no other reason. Still would not have payed over £18m. Peace is just very strange.

I feel about Saido as did about Welbeck........we fans have too much emotion invested to able to be rational about transfers.
 
Exactly, he was looking for an unrealistic fee, which is his prerogative, however he's tinkleed off his player to the point he's effectively gone on strike and tinkleed off his manager, who only last year resigned from palace for a similar issue. There is now zero chance of berahino signing a contract extension with them so he's in the process of running down his contract.

He could have had, let's say for arguments sake, 22/25m to strengthen his squad with, now he has a player not willing to play for them and realistically it'll be Oct before you see him play for wba again at least and even then will he be committed?

I said last week that if Saido is still at WBA on sep 2nd then Peace will be kicking himself and nothing I've heard or read in the last day has made me think otherwise. He's really just cut his nose off to spite his face. When levy stopped modric it was because Chel53a were a London rival and positional rival, he had just signed a contract extension, so there was no need to sell. None of that applies to WBA.
We will see. Personally I think Pulis will get berahino playing again because he is a good manager and berahino will realise it is in his best interests. Last season berahino was their top scorer and it is not a given that WBA are safe from a relegation scrap. They may need his goals to ensure Premier League safety and the riches of next year's tv money. Peace may still sell berahino in the summer for 10million less than now but I am sure he has offset this loss against the gain of maintaining premier league status. After all Jeremy Peace's background is finance and WBA are a well run club. So despite people on this board thinking he is an idiot, I am sure the reality is, he has calculated his moves very carefully. I said before that he didn't need to sell and it has played out that he didn't.
 
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It's panned out that he didn't sell, it's not panned out that he didn't need to sell, yet. Subtle difference!

Berahino's on strike,.. his contract is running down,.. pulis is tinkled off,. It's one thing not to sell, but a whole other thing entirely if it was right to sell. I haven't even mentioned how Pulis is going to accomadate Lambert, rondon, berahino and anichebe after stating in his first game that he'd never play two up front again!
 
I think in a couple of weeks he will sign a double/triple your pay contract with a 40 mill+ release clause.Which is win win for Bera and WBA .I imagine what is most upsetting to him is the payrise and bonus he didn't get by not coming to us.
 
I think in a couple of weeks he will sign a double/triple your pay contract with a 40 mill+ release clause.Which is win win for Bera and WBA .I imagine what is most upsetting to him is the payrise and bonus he didn't get by not coming to us.

...And that he is still at West Brom ;)
 
Rickie Lambert is probably truly tinkleed off today! Rondon comes in and Berahino ends up staying. He must've been told by Pulis that he expected Berahino to go this window.

i'd much rather be third choice at West Brom than at liverpool, better the naked nutter in the shower still wearing a baseball cap than the odious little twerp at anfield with his envelopes
 
It's panned out that he didn't sell, it's not panned out that he didn't need to sell, yet. Subtle difference!

Berahino's on strike,.. his contract is running down,.. pulis is tinkleed off,. It's one thing not to sell, but a whole other thing entirely if it was right to sell. I haven't even mentioned how Pulis is going to accomadate Lambert, rondon, berahino and anichebe after stating in his first game that he'd never play two up front again!
Don't you think if he needed to sell berahino he would have? We needed to buy him more than he needed to sell imo. The way posters on here were speculating that Peace needed to sell was almost as if they had first hand knowledge of the club's finances.
 
My angle was always more the numbers of strikers he had and the potential fall out rather than finances really. Although if money really was no problem to them they'd have bought the reinforcements Pulis wanted without having to wait for us to pay up on berahino.
 
Don't you think if he needed to sell berahino he would have? We needed to buy him more than he needed to sell imo. The way posters on here were speculating that Peace needed to sell was almost as if they had first hand knowledge of the club's finances.
I think there's two issues here. Firstly, West Brom have a net transfer spend of £30m this summer. The club has a turnover of a little over £65m. Over the three years prior to last season (couldn't find more recent figures) West Brom were the only midlands team to post regular profits (of between £1.5m and £6m).

I'm not saying they can't afford it - maybe Peace is an absolute financial wizard and stretches his pennies further than anyone else. And yes, that extra TV money next year will certainly encourage his bank manager to extend an overdraft if one is required. But at the same time it's perfectly legitimate to speculate that a business that posts approx £4m profit on a £65m turnover is taking a massive risk with a net spend of £30m on assets that may or may not have sell on value.

The second issue is the fact that no club in the premier league (based on their official websites) currently has more strikers listed in the first team squad than West Brom. And Pulis generally plays one up top. What the hell is he going to do with 6 strikers? This is a team without European football. Sure, one of them is a 16 year old academy kid that's been promoted to the first team. But presumably his promotion was because the manager does actually want to develop the youngsters at the club, and Tyler Roberts is supposed to be one of the best players they've had come through their academy in years.

So we can assume that unless they have a massive injury crisis up front, Roberts is unlikely to see much competitive football this season. That means Pulis only has to keep 5 strikers happy... which is still likely to be a challenge and one I doubt he particularly wanted, on top of everything else.
 
Right now they're at the level just below us, but they'll fall away again soon enough.

This was posted about Everton on RAWK. Crazy, I know, but it makes a lot of sense:

Firstly, in terms of their actual revenue, you can get the annual reports on line for the last few years, they make interesting reading (just google it - the swiss ramble blog spot also does good analysis on their accounts). Essentially the picture they show is a team earning about 75% of its income from TV rights. Last year their total revenue was approx. £120m, of which £88-90m came from TV rights. It's a terribly unhealthy balance (by comparison Liverpool earns about 40% of its revenue from broadcasting). It also means that if they did invest in a stadium, it probably wouldn't have the expected income impact they are hoping for (since, as others have noted their commercial operations only account for £10m and their ticket sales for about £20m). Why is that? Well, largely because they are an unsuccessful mid-tier side that hasn't won a cup in years, so no one wants to invest in them.

What that means from an Everton perspective is that their opportunity for expansion is massively limited. Why spend a £150m on a new stadium if the expected return is so paltry? What's the point in chasing commercial opportunities, if the money here is so little? The club is stasis, structurally, moribund and stagnant, but that actually stems from what Everton are truly successful at, which is remaining in the top tier. Let me explain why not getting relegated can actually be bad for a team.

Look at the premiership table. Read the names of the clubs and think about them for a bit. What you have is a handful oif clubs that are huge financial successes; United, city, Chel53a, Ar5ena1, Liverpool, Spurs. These are all teams that have significant advantages either in terms of recent trophy success, a large global fanbase, sugar daddies or are based in the rich heartland of London. These clubs have enormous opportunities to rack up the cash from TV, advertising, commercial activities, etc. Take Liverpool as an example, they went to Australia for a pre-season a few years back and played to full houses of Liverpool fans in 90,000 seater stadiums. Those handful of pre-season games alone were worth millions to the club.

The vast bulk of the rest of the teams in the premiership are yo-yo sides that come up and go back down again routinely. Leiceste, Palace, Swansea, Norwich, West Ham, Watford, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Stoke, Southampton, Sunderland, West Brom are all repeat offenders that have been relegated from and promoted back to the premiership in the last decade (Bournemouth are also the newbies that are looking to get into yo-yoing). Only Everton and Villa have cobnsistently remained in the premiership and its no conicidence that they struggle because of this.

When a team is relegated it's a shock to the system, it forces them to restructure like crazy, as expensive players and management teams go out the window. Some never recover from this (Leeds, Coventry) others use it as an opportunity to revitalise the club (like Southampton for example). Of course, it helps that they already have the natural advantages that got them to the PL in the first place. One of the key things it does for a club is it forces them to streamline their operating costs.

Everton and Villa can't do this. For years now they have been unable to compete with the big boys but have been forced to pay PL wages and prices to players just to stay in the division. All of their spending goes on developing players for sale, or acquiring players to stay up. They can't improve because it costs too much and their is no incentive to improve incrementally because the top tier sides just keep getting further and further away. The only way the club grows is when the TV money goes up. Compare their lot to Southampton, who went down, but kept their support base. They lost the crippling wage bill and were able to restructure as well as develop an academy system that is the envy of the league. They came back up, made a big splash for a small budget - and immediately all their best players were bought as they were plundered by the top sides. They are struggling this season and who is to say they won't go back down? But they will go back down with a heap of cash and the opportunity to develop even more players out of their academy.

I'm not saying Everton would be better off going down, but as of now they need a game changer... either a sugar daddy, or a spell in the Championship. The alternative is to be perpetually squeezed to the margins and eventually to fall down the sinkhole when it becomes no longer bearable. For the last few years they have got by with a cleverly assembled squad of hard-working pros, but now that team is old and needs replacing, but there is no money to do so, the stadium is dilapidated, but their ios no money to fix that either, they have sold everything they can sell (includingt eh raining ground, the catering license etc.) the recent TV deal for them is not a boon, it's a stay of execution. In general their future is bleak, but that's true of all the teams on the margins, they are all being squeezed by the insatiable demands of the top table and the stupid influx of petrodollars that have effectively destroyed the league.

I find it rather embarrassing that someone would post this, it's incorrect in a number of areas.

If this was posted on an arsenal forum about us then it wouldn't be given the time of day, I fail to see how this is different.
 
possibly, or he might be training with the kids until Christmas

my only worry now is that Peace will sell to anyone but us, even if it means a few quid less, just to further fuel his ego, he can then write a book about how he took on Levy and won

I find posts like this quite embarrassing really, it's his player and he doesn't have to cave into another club if he doesn't want too. Same as us with Modric.

We have to get over this arrogance towards other clubs and however much we might think the power is always in the hands of the club that owns the player.

I can't think of a player who didn't eventually settle down once the transfer window closed.
 
I find posts like this quite embarrassing really, it's his player and he doesn't have to cave into another club if he doesn't want too. Same as us with Modric.

We have to get over this arrogance towards other clubs and however much we might think the power is always in the hands of the club that owns the player.

I can't think of a player who didn't eventually settle down once the transfer window closed.

The power is in the hands of the club that owns the player as has been proven by WBA, Southampton and Everton.

I think that galeforce's post should be read in the context of all of the information that has come out since the transfer window closed i.e. Pulis wanted to sell and Berahino believes that his club have reneged on a promise and has subsequently said he won't play for them again. Not wanting to put words in galeforce's mouth, but he is simply commenting on what might happen to Berahino and that Peace, who's actions he believes to have been fuelled by ego which many agree to, would not sell to us out of principle.

I don't see what there is to find embarrassing?
 
I find it rather embarrassing that someone would post this, it's incorrect in a number of areas.

If this was posted on an Ar5ena1 forum about us then it wouldn't be given the time of day, I fail to see how this is different.

Care to elaborate?
 
The power is in the hands of the club that owns the player as has been proven by WBA, Southampton and Everton.

I think that galeforce's post should be read in the context of all of the information that has come out since the transfer window closed i.e. Pulis wanted to sell and Berahino believes that his club have reneged on a promise and has subsequently said he won't play for them again. Not wanting to put words in galeforce's mouth, but he is simply commenting on what might happen to Berahino and that Peace, who's actions he believes to have been fuelled by ego which many agree to, would not sell to us out of principle.

I don't see what there is to find embarrassing?

yep, thanks

my take is Peace let it get personal, he's more concerned with his public persona than the future of West Brom
 
There was really no reason for Peace to have to justify saying no sale by commenting on the proposed structure. I wonder how Olympiacos are paying WBA for Brown Ideye.That would be interesting to know.
We basically had one striker last year and this year we have better support for Kane so i am going to say we will score a similar amount if not more goals than last season.
 
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