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Rule changes in football

ricky2tricky4city said:
No. the second in the group played the extra round against a CL drop in that finished third in their CL group. The winners then joined the 8 group winners to form Rnd 16.
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Apologies you’re of course correct - I forgot my original point was about the Europa League, and was thinking about the Champions League when responding!

(I already fudging hated that rule about playing CL castoffs to be fair though, haha)
 
elltrev said:
Apologies you’re of course correct - I forgot my original point was about the Europa League, and was thinking about the Champions League when responding!

(I already fudging hated that rule about playing CL castoffs to be fair though, haha)
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All the comps have no teams dropping down into to the lower competition from next season. Which is a good thing.

(They might do in the very early qualification rounds...that hopefully we'll never be part of)
 
elltrev said:
I’ve only just discovered that the Europa League has the same changes next season as the Champions League - 36 teams, all in one big league, play 8 games rather than 6, and have to play a play-off game to get into the last 16 (if you don’t finish in top 8).

Does anyone like these changes?

I don’t like: 36 teams means an extra 8 bricky teams in the Europa League; there’s potentially 4 extra matches to play in total; a big league where 2/3s of teams go through to next stage is less tense and exciting than the old group format.
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So they play eight matches each to eliminate 12 teams from 36 team pseudo-league. Then 16 have play-offs for the round of 16.

Better to skip that play-off round. 16 qualifiers from 36 would add more jeopardy to the group stage and make more games matter.
 
jts1882 said:
So they play eight matches each to eliminate 12 teams from 36 team pseudo-league. Then 16 have play-offs for the round of 16.

Better to skip that play-off round. 16 qualifiers from 36 would add more jeopardy to the group stage and make more games matter.
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Couldn’t agree more
 
Just reading that after 3 seconds of a keeper holding the ball, the ref will raise his hand in the future. That defines a 5 second countdown and if the keeper doesn't release the ball in the next 5 seconds then a corner is awarded. Apparently, this is already being trialled in PL2.

Actually sound good.
 
Muttley said:
Just reading that after 3 seconds of a keeper holding the ball, the ref will raise his hand in the future. That defines a 5 second countdown and if the keeper doesn't release the ball in the next 5 seconds then a corner is awarded. Apparently, this is already being trialled in PL2.

Actually
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That's mental, there must be more detail than that, can't believe a keeper makes a save or catches a cross goes to ground and must recover and release ball in 13 seconds. To bring in a rule like that in the game I think there would be a need for a timekeeper as most people haven't a clue about the passage of time.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's mental, there must be more detail than that, can't believe a keeper makes a save or catches a cross goes to ground and must recover and release ball in 13 seconds. To bring in a rule like that in the game I think there would be a need for a timekeeper as most people haven't a clue about the passage of time.
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Surely there must be some sort of flexibility on the ref's side about when to raise the hand. Three seconds after the keeper stands up with the ball in his hands, for instance? Although that will probably just mean more keepers throwing themselves to the ground after making easy catches.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's mental, there must be more detail than that, can't believe a keeper makes a save or catches a cross goes to ground and must recover and release ball in 13 seconds. To bring in a rule like that in the game I think there would be a need for a timekeeper as most people haven't a clue about the passage of time.
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I can't be certain, but I believe the laws of the game state 5 seconds. I also have no problem with the refs just brandishing the cards when this happens. GKs are taking the tinkle in this decade.

What I would say though is that this new rule can only work if refs are consistent. If we have a team lose from a corner and they can demonstrate 5 times in the same game where the ref didn't bother implementing it the other way round, there will be grenades thrown at Webb and PGMOL. Unfortunately, this is what we're seeing in most aspects of the game today with the refs blatantly ignoring the very laws they are put on the pitch for.
 
Muttley said:
I can't be certain, but I believe the laws of the game state 5 seconds. I also have no problem with the refs just brandishing the cards when this happens. GKs are taking the tinkle in this decade.

What I would say though is that this new rule can only work if refs are consistent. If we have a team lose from a corner and they can demonstrate 5 times in the same game where the ref didn't bother implementing it the other way round, there will be grenades thrown at Webb and PGMOL. Unfortunately, this is what we're seeing in most aspects of the game today with the refs blatantly ignoring the very laws they are put on the pitch for.
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That's the perennial problem, lack of consistency with refs decisions or interpretation of rules, was always said the ref had a good game if you didn't notice him, now they're the main talking point in most matches.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's the perennial problem, lack of consistency with refs decisions or interpretation of rules, was always said the ref had a good game if you didn't notice him, now they're the main talking point in most matches.
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Very much this. Lack of consistency is a massive issue that refs need to address. There's also referees who seemingly love to put themselves in the spotlight, instead of quietly running the game according to the rules.

I'll give the referees this, though: It's hard to fully focus on your job when players surround you to try to influence (correct) decisions, pundits dissect every 50/50 decision you make, managers directly or indirectly criticise you on camera and there is massive media scrutiny for every minor detail in your officiating. It's not always the refs fault alone that they're the talking point.

I think the solution is two fold. Ideally much more respect for match officials from players, managers, media and pundits, as well as an acceptance that refs are human and make mistakes - plus of course an overhaul of the refereeing itself.
 
Robbo said:
Very much this. Lack of consistency is a massive issue that refs need to address. There's also referees who seemingly love to put themselves in the spotlight, instead of quietly running the game according to the rules.

I'll give the referees this, though: It's hard to fully focus on your job when players surround you to try to influence (correct) decisions, pundits dissect every 50/50 decision you make, managers directly or indirectly criticise you on camera and there is massive media scrutiny for every minor detail in your officiating. It's not always the refs fault alone that they're the talking point.

I think the solution is two fold. Ideally much more respect for match officials from players, managers, media and pundits, as well as an acceptance that refs are human and make mistakes - plus of course an overhaul of the refereeing itself.
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I can't be sure but I thought that this season only the captain was to approach the refs about decisions yet in virtually every game I've seen the ref is surrounded buy at least 3/4 players after a contentious decision. The solution is simple book them for descent after 3 or 4 games it will stop as the suspension threat gets closer and possible red cards.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's mental, there must be more detail than that, can't believe a keeper makes a save or catches a cross goes to ground and must recover and release ball in 13 seconds. To bring in a rule like that in the game I think there would be a need for a timekeeper as most people haven't a clue about the passage of time.
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The rule has been there for ages. 6 seconds from when the GK is in full control of the ball.
 
Robbo said:
I think the solution is two fold. Ideally much more respect for match officials from players, managers, media and pundits
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This is the one of the problems with VAR. It takes away the authority from refs, when they instead should have more.
 
I guess the important part is whether the ref will raise his hand after 3 secs of the keeper lying on top of the ball OR whether he waits til he stands up, Because that's a big difference
 
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