It's not clear cut either way tbf
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Ross Barkley
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It's not clear cut either way tbf
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
That's GB territory in terms of never admitting you're wrong.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Surely the first choice cover is Lamella, then Sissoko who we hope will be replaced
I agree about centre back and tight back but maybe we see KWP as the back up now to Trippier as first pick (a player has to start somewhere)
Has anyone seen the state of Chelseas squad??? It's highlighting what i said last year about how lucky they were with injuries. They currently have 16 first team players including 3 keepers and then kids ... kids who have played i believe a total of 5 first team games and they have hardly lost anyone
Our squad is pretty good when you compare it with that yet everyone said it's a squad game to win trophies which I agree with but let's not devalue ours
It stacked up well v Chelsea of last season but going in to next season I don't think that will be the case if you compared us to the rest of the top 6, unless we improve - as I have said previously our first 15/16 is as good as we can hope for but beyond that quality and experience falls off of a cliff (plenty of unrealised potential though) if we want to go deep in the cup competitions and remain competitive in the league then we need a few stronger players for the squad.
Our second string got the run around v Liverpools second sting and I'm sure that would be the case again and we would fair similarly v our other top 6 rivals IMHO
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I think we went with a weaker side in the pool game than they did... but very valid comments
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Some thoughts on Barkley from an ex-manager of his:
“I had Ross at Leeds, and he’s an unbelievably good pro. He comes in first thing and he takes free kicks until it goes dark, he trains all the time.
“But as a manager you can’t really find a system you can trust him in. It’s a really difficult one with him, because he still loves to turn and take players on in his own half and often loses it.
“He hasn’t got the responsibility in his make-up regarding as and when to do it, he just does it when he feels like it. I don’t think you can change him in that.
“I think he’d be a super player for a club like Spurs. I think he could be a top five player[…]but for a certain manager.
“It’ll be a difficult one for the manager who gets him, in how to play him at that level with the responsibility you have to have when you play the top teams.
You have to have that discipline in your game and unfortunately Ross doesn’t have that, but he makes up for it by scoring unbelievable goals."
“I had Ross at Leeds, and he’s an unbelievably good pro. He comes in first thing and he takes free kicks until it goes dark, he trains all the time.
“But as a manager you can’t really find a system you can trust him in. It’s a really difficult one with him, because he still loves to turn and take players on in his own half and often loses it.
“He hasn’t got the responsibility in his make-up regarding as and when to do it, he just does it when he feels like it. I don’t think you can change him in that.
“I think he’d be a super player for a club like Spurs. I think he could be a top five player[…]but for a certain manager.
“It’ll be a difficult one for the manager who gets him, in how to play him at that level with the responsibility you have to have when you play the top teams.
You have to have that discipline in your game and unfortunately Ross doesn’t have that, but he makes up for it by scoring unbelievable goals."
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
And an ex-coach:
"Because I've worked with him for four years with England, I desperately want him to succeed, to fulfil his talent and potential and become the best player in the Premier League, the capability of that strength, the ability, skill, however his concentration...
"In the first half his touch, is tight in terms of control. He's got to be excellent on the ball every time it comes into him. You haven't got time in the top games.
"You have to operate in tight spaces. Ross makes too many mistakes and gives it away, and what happens is he gets a little bit frustrated with himself.
"Consistency, concentration and focus are absolutely key. I just hope that he can deliver in the next few years and deliver like we've seen Coutinho do today."
"Because I've worked with him for four years with England, I desperately want him to succeed, to fulfil his talent and potential and become the best player in the Premier League, the capability of that strength, the ability, skill, however his concentration...
"In the first half his touch, is tight in terms of control. He's got to be excellent on the ball every time it comes into him. You haven't got time in the top games.
"You have to operate in tight spaces. Ross makes too many mistakes and gives it away, and what happens is he gets a little bit frustrated with himself.
"Consistency, concentration and focus are absolutely key. I just hope that he can deliver in the next few years and deliver like we've seen Coutinho do today."
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
And a teammate:
"He's got all the talent in the world but he keeps on making more wrong decisions than right decisions in a game.
"Having had four or five years’ experience now you would have expected him to learn to have started to make them right decisions more often than not, but as of yet we're all still waiting for that to happen.
"He's been playing in the first-team since he was 17-18. That's a long time to have been playing in the Premier League and not kicked on and not made that next step. It's worrying that he's still being talked about as a young player and 'give him time’.”
"He's got all the talent in the world but he keeps on making more wrong decisions than right decisions in a game.
"Having had four or five years’ experience now you would have expected him to learn to have started to make them right decisions more often than not, but as of yet we're all still waiting for that to happen.
"He's been playing in the first-team since he was 17-18. That's a long time to have been playing in the Premier League and not kicked on and not made that next step. It's worrying that he's still being talked about as a young player and 'give him time’.”
Firstly Barkleys game inevitably would have moved on since being at Leeds in 2013. Secondly Id take Pochs opinion over the manager of Leeds at the time who happened to be Neil Warnock who you didnt name for some reason....
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Absolutely spot on. Every one of those quoted talk about his undoubted talent. Given all his supposed "faults", I find it surprising that Koeman was so keen for him to sign a new contract.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
I will really laugh if we sign him and he turns into a stellar signing. Will GB eat any humble pie this time?
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Come on mate not needed. I find myself scratching my head with his opinions and musings but harsh.
StephenH
David Ginola
Oh your spoiling all my fun......
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
That deficiency is incredibly easy to coach out of a player. Alternatively you just use them as a number 10 so they are never receiving the ball in a place where it is very dangerous if they lose it. Poch has already done this with Ali.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Sounds like all he needs is a good coach to me.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Exactly. Bread and butter for Poch. Not saying Barkley will be world beater overnight, but if there is a team that can get the required focus and the player to come on a level, they are at Spurs. Makes sense for all parties that he makes this move. He is a player that will have flashes of brilliance and other games where he's flat, but I'd welcome him, and think he'd fit in well. Similar age to Kane, and no reason why he can't kick on. The work and application are there, just needs guidance and focus.