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Rooney - Is he s**t?

Fergie has moved Rooney all over the place over the years, he played his best football moving wide to accommodate a more gifted player.
 
milo said:
Exactly, Mata is best as a number 10 but I can see Rooney's ego being a problem if he is shunted wide to accommodate Mata
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This is my point about the England team. I think we have better options in key positions and for the good of the team we should at least try a formation without him in it.
 
Cochise said:
This is my point about the England team. I think we have better options in key positions and for the good of the team we should at least try a formation without him in it.
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I don't disagree. I also think that there is a good argument to be had that we don't stand a chance in Brazil so we should build for the future
 
Cochise said:
This is my point about the England team. I think we have better options in key positions and for the good of the team we should at least try a formation without him in it.
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up front I agree, thing is, we've got some right dross elsewhere on the pitch, where an out of position Rooney would be a better option than a favored position incumbent
 
He deserves credit for his longevity, it was once assumed Owen would smash it and look how that turned out
 
parklane1 said:
Lineker 48 goals in 80 games

Rooney 48 in 105 games

And as you say Lineker scored more in the big games.
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Lineker won the golden boot at one World Cup as well didn't he?

Rooney has been poor for the most part in tournaments. That said, I think the criticism he gets is harsh for the most part compared to say Gerrard or Beckham. Beckham is viewed as a legend despite not ever having a great tournament.
 
also with Rooney, look at the dross he's had around him for the most part, i'm not suggesting for a second he is at Linekers level but he'd surely have more goals had he played alongside Gazza, Beardsley, Hoddle, Waddle etc etc
 
linekar may have a better goals to game ratio for england, but surely everyone can see rooney is quite clearly the better player. rooney is genuinely one of the best players of his generation (his wage packet reflects this, as do his instrumental performances that helped his teams win so many honours). on the other hand, linekar whilst also being a great player, was a notch below rooney. linekar is purely a goal poacher, whilst rooney has a much better all round game. on this basis, i would argue that rooney's goals ratio is far more impressive than linekar's. comparing rooney with linekar is akin to comparing him with javier hernandez. theres simply no comparison. i feel people are biased because linekar appears to be the much more likeable guy. and in this forum, we're even more likely to be biased because linekar played for us. if anything, surely that shows that linekar was probably not a really elite tier player (at least not for the duration and consistency that rooney has been).
 
Lineker is one of the greatest finishers the game has ever seen, he was more than just a poacher, he was absolutely deadly, he could score a goal from seemingly nothing.
 
I'm pretty sure Gary would've been paid through the nose to do his thing, had the same levels of money been in the game at the time.
 
Neymar said:
linekar may have a better goals to game ratio for england, but surely everyone can see rooney is quite clearly the better player. rooney is genuinely one of the best players of his generation (his wage packet reflects this, as do his instrumental performances that helped his teams win so many honours). on the other hand, linekar whilst also being a great player, was a notch below rooney. linekar is purely a goal poacher, whilst rooney has a much better all round game. on this basis, i would argue that rooney's goals ratio is far more impressive than linekar's. comparing rooney with linekar is akin to comparing him with javier hernandez. theres simply no comparison. i feel people are biased because linekar appears to be the much more likeable guy. and in this forum, we're even more likely to be biased because linekar played for us. if anything, surely that shows that linekar was probably not a really elite tier player (at least not for the duration and consistency that rooney has been).
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So wage packet reflects levels of world class ability now? Have you heard of players who are overpayed way beyond their worth? Have you not hard of PL inflation, lol?

Do you think if Manure weren't being held over a barrel by a sharp agent (and also suffering for the leverage Glazer buyout, plus the spectre of Emirates Marketing Project's Oil Millions) they wouldn't have said Ta-R to Rooney by now, with his fluctuating weight and off-the-field antics etc?
It's as though you are saying there are no players who are better than him earning less than him - even at Manure.

If Rooney really is an all-round better player why has he only got one world cup goal to his name? How many world cup flops can a player like Rooney have to still be valued like you do? Sure the additional levels of skill would mean he'd had scored more, no?
(BTW, i agree he is a more all-round player, but Linekar was the better goalscorer when it REALLY mattered)

Seedy Ron said:
I'm pretty sure Gary would've been paid through the nose to do his thing, had the same levels of money been in the game at the time.
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Exactly
 
If Rooney was as good as the press make him out to be he would have been at Madrid, Barca or the like. The truth ( imo) is that he is a very good player but overated by the English press pretty much like the rest of the so called " golden generation " were.
 
Seedy Ron said:
I'm pretty sure Gary would've been paid through the nose to do his thing, had the same levels of money been in the game at the time.
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maybe. but i think theres also a good chance that his fate would be similar to many other goals poachers; the limitations of his game would mean that he would become largely redundant at the very top level. similar to the reasons why his barca stint ended. his game is very limited. he has this one skill (goal-poaching) that is/was very overrated in england and thus was able to build a top level career off it. put simply, i think he'd struggle today to reach those height. top level football in england doesnt place the same premium on limited strikers like him anymore.

glorygloryeze said:
So wage packet reflects levels of world class ability now? Have you heard of players who are overpayed way beyond their worth? Have you not hard of PL inflation, lol?

Do you think if Manure weren't being held over a barrel by a sharp agent (and also suffering for the leverage Glazer buyout, plus the spectre of Emirates Marketing Project's Oil Millions) they wouldn't have said Ta-R to Rooney by now, with his fluctuating weight and off-the-field antics etc?
It's as though you are saying there are no players who are better than him earning less than him - even at Manure.
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Thats all true. but its still difficult to deny that he deserves one of the 200k+ wage packets. rooney is a player who has been pivotal for man utd (arguably the greatest club in the world) for over a decade now. hes had to compete with other world class players in his position (falcao, rvp etc), and yet he has shown that time and time again, he constantly produces the goods.

man utd are quite clearly one of the elite clubs in europe. look at the players that have had the decade long consistency of being picked to play at this level. maldini, zanetti, seedorf etc. this is the calibre of player we are talking about with wayne rooney. to compare him with linekar who played probably his best football at everton, leicester and tottenham is a joke.

rooneys top level wage packet simply reflects the career he has had as listed above.

glorygloryeze said:
If Rooney really is an all-round better player why has he only got one world cup goal to his name? How many world cup flops can a player like Rooney have to still be valued like you do? Sure the additional levels of skill would mean he'd had scored more, no?
(BTW, i agree he is a more all-round player, but Linekar was the better goalscorer when it REALLY mattered)
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the worldcup is just a short summer tournament. rooneys just been one of those players that have been unfortunately poor during worldcups. it happens. linekar on the other hand is a decent player that happened to have some good performances at the worldcup and hence has an overratted reputation. im sure we can all think of many other examples of this type of player.


parklane1 said:
If Rooney was as good as the press make him out to be he would have been at Madrid, Barca or the like.
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hes at man utd.

parklane1 said:
The truth ( imo) is that he is a very good player but overated by the English press pretty much like the rest of the so called " golden generation " were.
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he might be overratted, he might not be. whats clear to me from reading this thread is that hes definitely not as overrated as gary linekar is lol.
 
i think theres an argument to suggest that comparing linekar with soldado is more apt than comparing him with rooney.

both good goal poachers with somewhat limited ability to contribute in other areas of the pitch. and both somewhat failed when they transfered to a club that was a notch above their natural playing level.

on the other hand, you have rooney who took to moving up to one of the greatest clubs in the world like a duck to water at the tender age of 18.
 
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