Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

[LutonSpurs]

Simple question do you think that Bentancur should still be at the club?

If a player is innocent why shouldn't he play for any club?

If a player is found guilty (as in the Bentancur case) why would any club keep a racist at their club?

Less we forget:

"Host Rafa Cotelo asked Bentancur for a Spurs player's shirt, to which he replied, "Sonny's?" [Son Heung-Min], adding: "It could be Sonny's cousin too as they all look the same."

Greenwood:

• Outcome: Following the investigation, it was decided that Greenwood had not committed the offenses for which he was initially charged in 2022.

Greenwoods crimes and Bentancurs are defo the same thing..... Lord.

Let's play the audio of Bentancurs racism and then see how he quickly addressed it and apologised.

Then look at the MG case.

Totally the same.

 

[Mikey10]

Greenwoods crimes and Bentancurs are defo the same thing..... Lord.

Let's play the audio of Bentancurs racism and then see how he quickly addressed it and apologised.

Then look at the MG case.

Totally the same.

I suppose a nearer equivalent (if there is one) would be Conte signing Marcus Alonso while at Chelsea.

I can’t remember any furore about that when Conte subsequently came to us. (My memory is terrible, though, so I could be wrong!)

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Greenwoods crimes and Bentancurs are defo the same thing..... Lord.

Let's play the audio of Bentancurs racism and then see how he quickly addressed it and apologised.

Then look at the MG case.

Totally the same.

Some of the whataboutism on here is mental, its like being in the Manosphere

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I suppose a nearer equivalent (if there is one) would be Conte signing Marcus Alonso while at Chelsea.

I can’t remember any furore about that when Conte subsequently came to us. (My memory is terrible, though, so I could be wrong!)

I think this was in reference to signing Greenwood who is clearly a massive cnut

 

[Mikey10]

Some of the whataboutism on here is mental, its like being in the Manosphere

There are some interesting and genuine questions to be asked about where the line is drawn, though, in what has become a very dirty industry.

We (generally, as a fan group) seem happy to ignore lots of things which have been mentioned here, but have apparently decided that De Zerbi being involved with Greenwood is a step too far.

Looking at it objectively, it does seem odd.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

There are some interesting and genuine questions to be asked about where the line is drawn, though, in what has become a very dirty industry.

We (generally, as a fan group) seem happy to ignore lots of things which have been mentioned here, but have apparently decided that De Zerbi being involved with Greenwood is a step too far.

Looking at it objectively, it does seem odd.

I am not against De Zerbi joining to be clear but I do think it asks questions about the murkiness of the sport. I know people don't like to ask questions of football because its their pass time, but I often look at it like life, if someone said to me "I think Greenwoods a good lad and how he has been treated in the UK is questionable" it would raise a massive red flag, because its football and its full of Rapists, Racists and Thieves (wasn't that a Cher song) and its been widely accepted, that doesn't change for me. I don't want to give up on the idea football can be a force for good and not accepted as a race to the bottom in the race for the top

I don't think we can easily discount the Women of Tottenham statement given that women are the victims of domestic violence in greater numbers than men, they can't be shut down as easily as some might like to (in fact I think it plays to the whole subject matter).

To answer your question I think there is a line that most would see, I don't put a few goals and footballing success above whats right or wrong, Greenwood would be a massive step in the wrong direction for me and I suspect a number of people.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I think these problems would arise further down the line - Let's just try and get over the line for the next 7 games and then we can look forward to the next managerial merry go round .....

There's optimism for you!

 

[Mikey10]

I think this was in reference to signing Greenwood who is clearly a massive cnut

Alonso, as you probably know, was convicted of driving dangerously while drunk, resulting in the death of his female passenger. There were all sorts of shenanigans by his wealthy, powerful family to make sure his punishment didn’t suit the crime. Yet Conte signed him. Was there an outcry amongst our supporters when Conte landed with us? (Genuine question - I have no idea.)

Do you know Greenwood? Is there the possibility that he may have changed? Or is someone forever damned by something they did while a young man?

I’m not having a go; but, working with young people every day, some of whom make big mistakes but have then gone on to lead very good lives, it’s a something I’ve often seen professionally (along with, much less frequently, those who haven’t changed for the better).

De Zerbi was basically saying this was his experience of Greenwood. He knows the player better than any of us. Was he right? I’ve no idea, but I do find the certainties of trial by social media one of the most troubling elements of the internet world.

 

[harr1984]

I am not against De Zerbi joining to be clear but I do think it asks questions about the murkiness of the sport. I know people don't like to ask questions of football because its their pass time, but I often look at it like life, if someone said to me "I think Greenwoods a good lad and how hs has been treated in the UK is questionable" it would raise a massive red flag, because its football and its full of Rapists, Racists and Thieves (wasn't that a Cher song) that doesn't change for me.

I don't think we can easily discount the Women of Tottenham statement given that women are the victims of domestic violence in greater numbers than men, they can't be shut down as easily as some might like to (in fact I think it plays to the whole subject matter).

To answer your question I think there is a line that most would see, I don't put a few goals and footballing success above whats right or wrong, Greenwood would be a massive step in the wrong direction for me and I suspect a number of people.

That's half the problem though, we aren't looking at signing Greenwood. If we were the conversation would be somewhat different. We are talking about his ex manager who commented on his own personal experience of the player - nothing any of us have....

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

That's half the problem though, we aren't looking at signing Greenwood. If we were the conversation would be somewhat different. We are talking about his ex manager who commented on his own personal experience of the player - nothing any of us have....

It was a question asked further up the conversation, I just gave my views on it, no one said we were signing him, I haven't

 

[paxtonwolf]

A move which means the Poch debate remains alive......................

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Alonso, as you probably know, was convicted of driving dangerously while drunk, resulting in the death of his female passenger. There were all sorts of shenanigans by his wealthy, powerful family to make sure his punishment didn’t suit the crime. Yet Conte signed him. Was there an outcry amongst our supporters groups then? (Genuine question - I have no idea.)

Do you know Greenwood? Is there the possibility that he may have changed? Or is someone forever damned by something they did while a young man?

I’m not having a go; but, working with young people every day, some of whom make big mistakes but have then gone on to lead very good lives, it’s a something I’ve often seen professionally (along with, much less frequently, those who haven’t changed for the better).

De Zerbi was basically saying this was his experience of Greenwood. He knows the player better than any of us. Was he right? I’ve no idea, but I do find the certainties of trial by social media one of the most troubling elements of the internet world.

No sorry I wasn't clear, the original point was in reference to "what if we signed Greenwood" which I answered in theory.

No I don't know Greenwood personally but my view is, there are 100s of clubs he can ply his trade at and there are 100s of players who we could sign without it becoming a Spurs issue and I would be far more comfortable with that TBH.

As for second chances, of course people deserve them, equally he hasn't really had anything that warrants concern for him having lost his first chance, he lost his place at United and continued a career abroad. I don't see playing in France top flight on 100k a week some kind of punishment which some comments around him (not on here but in general) seem to be squared.

Ultimately I am more than happy for Greenwood not to be our concern.

 

[harr1984]

It was a question asked further up the conversation, I just gave my views on it, no one said we were signing him, I haven't

No, but a lot of people's reactions to not wanting de Zebri are what I would expect the reaction to be if we was looking at Greenwood. Like @Mikey10 said, the reaction to de Zebri based on his experience with Greenwood is a little bit odd and to me over the top. But c'est la vie ......

 

[DeanoAustin]

All our fixtures are tough.

When he took over Brighton, he had Liverpool away first and he had to play us (when we were good) and City in his first 5 games. Different club, he had different experience and different set of fixtures.

I've also got a pain in my hole with people on social media saying "his PL win % is only 37%, that'll send Tottenham down". That's another example of taking a stat in isolation and attaching too much weight to it. A win % over 7 games is very different to a win % over 45 games or whatever. You can't compare them.

De Zerbi is a very good manager. He's proven it. People may not like him, I don't based on what I know, but he's far and away the best suggested candidate to get us out of this mess IMO.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

No, but a lot of people's reactions to not wanting de Zebri are what I would expect the reaction to be if we was looking at Greenwood. Like @Mikey10 said, the reaction to de Zebri based on his experience with Greenwood is a little bit odd and to me over the top. But c'est la vie ......

Like I say, I can see why groups like Women for Tottenham have issue with it, as a man I am not going to tell them not to have a problem with it TBH, I think they have every right and have articulated it fairly give the below which was highlighted. Thats all I am saying on the De Zerbi part.

For the Greenwood part which I am being clear is a different and hypothetic question, I stick with my original opinion.

Anyway its been done to death now

 

[demotw]

No, but a lot of people's reactions to not wanting de Zebri are what I would expect the reaction to be if we was looking at Greenwood. Like @Mikey10 said, the reaction to de Zebri based on his experience with Greenwood is a little bit odd and to me over the top. But c'est la vie ......

At some point would be interesting to see those pushing the agenda are the same pushing for Poch back albeit I did see a few who are not pushing that agenda follow the same line of thought.

For me, what he said, is no different to if your neighbour goes out and kills someone and you are asked and say never saw it coming, he was always a good guy and super helpful etc etc.. He can only base his opinion on Greenwood from what he see's not trial by media which has become the norm in this country, or sheep culture.

Now do I think he is the right manager for us right now? Probably not, would have stuck with Tudor but I readily admit thats out of bias for wanting Tudor to succeed, but if he is the new guy then I will hope and support that he is the start of our new successful era. I also dont think Poch is the right guy either, he was back when he came in with his fresh ideas and moulding that team, but he reached his limit and nothing post spurs suggests he is a messiah. Whatever we do from here on end, the rebuild we require will be difficult, painful and probably over a few seasons and that's what I will judge the new guy on.

 

[JerusalemMan]

...set to be signed. Never change, Romano.

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[Kane]

The fact we went for an interim in Tudor would strongly suggest that our preferred candidate is coming available in the summer. Unless that was de Zerbi, who was sacked just before Tudor was appointed and was available at that time, the idiots making these decisions have had to change longer term strategic direction to address a short term problem and are paying a massive premium to do it.

Beyond incompetent.

As far as I'm aware, De Zerbi and Marseille mutually agreed to part ways.

 

[yiddo37]

So looks done then.
Question. When we play Brighton does it become the 'De Zerbi derby'?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I think this is exactly the cse, and that De Zerbi has squeezed their lemons for a fatter pile of wonga than they wanted to fork over. Putting aside all opinions, speaking coldly, IF this was the guy they wanted, then they should've fudging squeezed their lemons for the guy before Tudor...they are just pathetic IMO.

Should have done this for the January window and brought in far more than Gallagher and a 19 year old left back given the injury sutuation....penny pinching and "just want to give this flailing Frank toxic sh*tshow more time to see if he miraculously stops playing the football he's played his entire career" has got us in this situation. Penny wise = pound poor if we go down