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Richarlison

Lilbaz said:
Not sure what elite means for you.
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In terms of Spurs and who we've had as A-class/world class/top top strikers?

Harry Kane
Jimmy Greaves
Jurgen Klinsmann

There's another few who were excellent...Berba, Defoe, Chivers, Sonny, Keane...

Right now? Non-Spurs?

Harry Kane
Killian M'bappe
Possibly Victor Oshimon albeit he appears to be a risk beyond taking for many, but he is an elite striker
Haaland
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Not sure Defoe was elite personally. Keane was for a couple of seasons but. Ironic that you mention Defoe because people defended him on here for years. Back to Richarlison, I can’t fault his work ethic but his lack of robustness does frustrate me, whether it’s the constant injuries he picks up or his inability to stay on his feet and be stronger.
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Fair comment. Defoe's scoring record certainly earmarks him as elite IMO. I agree that Keane was probably more mercurial than anything else. I agree on Richy's fitness being a point of frustration, and am interested to see how this season pans out...
 
thfcsteff said:
In terms of Spurs and who we've had as elite/top top strikers?

Harry Kane
Jimmy Greaves
Jurgen Klinsmann

There's another few who were excellent...Berba, Defoe, Chivers, Sonny...

Right now? Non-Spurs?

Harry Kane
Killian M'bappe
Possibly Victor Oshimon albeit he appears to be a risk beyond taking for many, but he is an elite striker
Haaland
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You said keane and defoe were elite?
 
thfcsteff said:
Fair comment. Defoe's scoring record certainly earmarks him as elite IMO. I agree that Keane was probably more mercurial than anything else. I agree on Richy's fitness being a point of frustration, and am interested to see how this season pans out...
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Solanke also being available would help Richarlison and us. Typical that Richarlison has had a slight downturn in form/return to norm at the same time Solanke has been injured. I think one of them (if not both) will need to be replaced next summer.
 
thfcsteff said:
In terms of Spurs and who we've had as elite/top top strikers?

Harry Kane
Jimmy Greaves
Jurgen Klinsmann

There's another few who were excellent...Berba, Defoe, Chivers, Sonny...

Right now? Non-Spurs?

Harry Kane
Killian M'bappe
Possibly Victor Oshimon albeit he appears to be a risk beyond taking for many, but he is an elite striker
Haaland
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Agree with Spurs elite list.

Non-Spurs wise? I’d also add Isak and Lewandowski to that list even though the latter is slightly long in the tooth.
 
Lilbaz said:
You said keane and defoe were elite?
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You're right I did. I used 'elite' erroneously in the context of our conversation, which as I understood it was essentially to state world class/top top strikers from others. I have amended the post to be more specific in that regard. Defoe and Keane were absolutely elite strikers; they were just below world class IMO, albeit Defoe's numbers are great and place him highly.
 
thfcsteff said:
In terms of Spurs and who we've had as A-class/world class/top top strikers?

Harry Kane
Jimmy Greaves
Jurgen Klinsmann

There's another few who were excellent...Berba, Defoe, Chivers, Sonny, Keane...

Right now? Non-Spurs?

Harry Kane
Killian M'bappe
Possibly Victor Oshimon albeit he appears to be a risk beyond taking for many, but he is an elite striker
Haaland
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Lineker?
 
Lilbaz said:
It's subjective and meaningless but berba and sheringham were above defoe and keane. As was ferdinand (maybe not for us but career wise).
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Berbatov was one of the most brilliant footballers I have ever seen. Teddy was one of my favourite Spurs players ever. I'd agree both deserve placement. Their numbers are fairly similar when leveled out. Teddy and Berba were more graceful to watch, however they were not above Defoe and Keane, more part of that circle. Ferdinand? A massive, massive disappointment for us IMO...39 goals in 149 appearances.



Keane - 122 goals in 238 appearances for us
Defoe - 143 goals in 363 appearances
Berba - 46 goals in 102 appearances
Teddy - 125 goals in 277 appearances
 
thfcsteff said:
Berbatov was one of the most brilliant footballers I have ever seen. Teddy was one of my favourite Spurs players ever. I'd agree both deserve placement. Their numbers are fairly similar when leveled out. Teddy and Berba were more graceful to watch, however they were not above Defoe and Keane, more part of that circle. Ferdinand? A massive, massive disappointment for us IMO...39 goals in 149 appearances.



Keane - 122 goals in 238 appearances for us
Defoe - 143 goals in 363 appearances
Berba - 46 goals in 102 appearances
Teddy - 125 goals in 277 appearances
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Berba and sherigham were 10s. Defoe scored far more goals than cantona, nobody would think that made him a better player.
 
Lilbaz said:
Berba and sherigham were 10s. Defoe scored far more goals than cantona, nobody would think that made him a better player.
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what's your point of debate here? I don't understand it. The discussion started around strikers, more specifically Richarlison vs 'top top' strikers.
You introduced Sheringham and Berbatov into the equation (players I saw many many times). To be clear, Sheringham developed into a 10, ditto Berba, both were also strikers in their younger days. I am not sure why you bring Cantona into this discussion at all, it is as if you're looking for a debate. Who's going to argue that Cantona was not a superior player to Defoe? No-one. Was Defoe a more natural goalscorer? Yes.
 
thfcsteff said:
what's your point of debate here? I don't understand it. The discussion started around strikers, more specifically Richarlison vs 'top top' strikers.
You introduced Sheringham and Berbatov into the equation (players I saw many many times). To be clear, Sheringham developed into a 10, ditto Berba, both were also strikers in their younger days. I am not sure why you bring Cantona into this discussion at all, it is as if you're looking for a debate. Who's going to argue that Cantona was not a superior player to Defoe? No-one. Was Defoe a more natural goalscorer? Yes.
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You said "they were not above defoe and keane more part of the circle".
If it's goals alone then clive allen.

Richarlison against defoe and keane comparrison? If richarlison can stay fit i think he's better. As a central striker on their own, i think (full season, fully fit) richarlison would do better for the team than keane or defoe would.

I'd prefer an ibrahimovich though.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Not sure Defoe was elite personally. Keane was for a couple of seasons but. Ironic that you mention Defoe because people defended him on here for years. Back to Richarlison, I can’t fault his work ethic but his lack of robustness does frustrate me, whether it’s the constant injuries he picks up or his inability to stay on his feet and be stronger.
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People defended him because he was underrated on here, as were most of our English players of that time here. It was (is?) almost like rating an English player was anti-intellectual in some way.
 
parklane1 said:
My thoughts as well, sadly haters have to hate and Richy has a few of them on his back no matter how or what he does during games. Sad really.
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its not just about one game

fistly he has been injured a lot
then when he is back, he is performing well every one in three games

imagine if we had a striker that is capable of playing well say 80% of games or doing poorly in 1/5 games.
imagine also a challenger who can rotate with and younger with similar consistency

don't you think we would do much better?
 
Lilbaz said:
You said "they were not above defoe and keane more part of the circle".
If it's goals alone then clive allen.

Richarlison against defoe and keane comparrison? If richarlison can stay fit i think he's better. As a central striker on their own, i think (full season, fully fit) richarlison would do better for the team than keane or defoe would.

I'd prefer an ibrahimovich though.
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Yes. I did say that - with regards to 'goals scored', they all were in the same area.
Clive Allen is a great shout for goals scored.

I am one of the people backing Richarlison here if he can stay fit.

I hated Ibrahimovic so find myself unable to agree despite the fact he could play.
 
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