Redknapp

[parklane1]

Yep really. It wasn't a regular. It was one of these strange posters that signs up and only posts 10 or so messages to back someone up in an argument.

I'm taking a new lighthearted approach to the whole thing anything. I've realised it's pointless trying to debate against people who are,

a) Hypocrite.g. moan about one of our players or Managers talking to the press about potentially moving on whilst cheering an opposition player stating they want to sign for Spurs and coming out with nonsense like "Sign him up Levy!"

b) Emotional posters. I am here to discuss football, and discuss rational issues. It's pointless having a debate with someone who has an emotional reason backing their opinion as they simply won't be rational (that's not to say they're wrong though). E.g. I respect posters like bankrupt who clearly state they hate Redknapp as a person and that's why they don't want him at the club but there would be no point debating whether Redknapp should be our Manager with him as we're arguing apples and oranges. I'll happily debate with any poster who claims that Redknapp isn't doing a good enough job as Spurs manager and needs to be fired on a poor performance basis.

Pity everyone does not go down that route, there are to many who have agendas and the only way they can debate is by insulting those they disagree with them. Which usually means they do not have the knowledge or intelligence to do otherwise.

 

[spursman17]

What's this I hear about Redknapp requesting a new contract to determine his future at the club?

In other words, more money.

Balls in Levy's court. Personally I would offer him the same contract agreement but extend it. Redknapp can then either take it or do one. He wanted to jump ship but is now out of options since that door has slammed shut.

Had he committed and acted more professionally during the heightened England interest then an improved contract could be on the table, sadly he didn't.

If he refuses, Levy should not terminate the contract and give him the millions in compensation. He should lower his ranking at the club, place him in second line as a coach and hire a new manager. This would serve both as a matter or principle and work out similarly in cost in preventing to pay the compensation package.

You can't demand more by acting the way he did. He made his bed and if he had any ounce of decency he should understand he owes the club, players and fans above lining his pocket.

 

[AdamB]

What's this I hear about Redknapp requesting a new contract to determine his future at the club?

In other words, more money.

Balls in Levy's court. Personally I would offer him the same contract agreement but extend it. Redknapp can then either take it or do one. He wanted to jump ship but is now out of options since that door has slammed shut.

Had he committed and acted more professionally during the heightened England interest then an improved contract could be on the table, sadly he didn't.

If he refuses, Levy should not terminate the contract and give him the millions in compensation. He should lower his ranking at the club, place him in second line as a coach and hire a new manager. This would serve both as a matter or principle and work out similarly in cost in preventing to pay the compensation package.

You can't demand more by acting the way he did. He made his bed and if he had any ounce of decency he should understand he owes the club, players and fans above lining his pocket.

Extending it is worse than paying him more as, unless we double his salary, it will increase his pay out

Demoting him to second in charge would mean we end up in court and lose badly. It would be viewed as constructive dismissal

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

What's this I hear about Redknapp requesting a new contract to determine his future at the club?

In other words, more money.

Balls in Levy's court. Personally I would offer him the same contract agreement but extend it. Redknapp can then either take it or do one. He wanted to jump ship but is now out of options since that door has slammed shut.

Had he committed and acted more professionally during the heightened England interest then an improved contract could be on the table, sadly he didn't.

If he refuses, Levy should not terminate the contract and give him the millions in compensation. He should lower his ranking at the club, place him in second line as a coach and hire a new manager. This would serve both as a matter or principle and work out similarly in cost in preventing to pay the compensation package.

You can't demand more by acting the way he did. He made his bed and if he had any ounce of decency he should understand he owes the club, players and fans above lining his pocket.

I don't know if it's more money or not. I'm glad Redknapp has come out and said it though. Levy should either off him a years extension, or terminate his contract now so we can move on.

By the way, you couldn't demote him like you're saying. It's called constructive dismissal. It would be cheaper for us to pay him off than go through an Industrial Tribunal.

 

[LutonSpurs]

That interview is cringeworthy, regardless of his success I do not want this man at our club any longer.

 

[a spur from swansea]

You do realise that Levy part owns the club dont you? He wouldnt resign and he's not simply an employee who can be fired for underperforming.

Ultimately if Joe Lewis doesnt think that Levy is doing his job then he could buy Levy out and replace him with someone else however, by and large, Levy has done a great job at Spurs so its highly unlikely

And i presume Levy and his cronies put Jols feelings into account,when they were caught having a laugh and a joke on television during the Getafe game knowing that everyone knew in the ground and on television that Jol was going to get the sack after the game.

The way they treated Jol was really attrocious and totally un-professional.

 

[spursman17]

Extending it is worse than paying him more as, unless we double his salary, it will increase his pay out

Demoting him to second in charge would mean we end up in court and lose badly. It would be viewed as constructive dismissal

When I say extend I mean offer him a new but similar contract to what he is on, not continue his current one.

Demoting is a cloudy issue. Does his contract say he has to be in charge of the first team? How about the chairmans influence in transfer policies.

Worst comes to worst, let him see out his contract. Surly the same can apply to him if he lets any of this upset affect his managerial position and influence on the team.

 

[AdamB]

And i presume Levy and his cronies put Jols feelings into account,when they were caught having a laugh and a joke on television during the Getafe game knowing that everyone knew in the ground and on television that Jol was going to get the sack after the game.

The way they treated Jol was really attrocious and totally un-professional.

What does that have to do with Levy 'falling on his sword'?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

And i presume Levy and his cronies put Jols feelings into account,when they were caught having a laugh and a joke on television during the Getafe game knowing that everyone knew in the ground and on television that Jol was going to get the sack after the game.

The way they treated Jol was really attrocious and totally un-professional.

I've highlighted it before, but there have been more than a few shocking decisions over the last decade. One thing that Levy can never argue against is the way players/managers treat Spurs. Not with him being in charge. The way he has treated people has been horrific. He has promoted a no loyalty culture at the club, and shouldn't be shocked if it's reciprocated.

 

[AdamB]

When I say extend I mean offer him a new but similar contract to what he is on, not continue his current one.

Demoting is a cloudy issue. Does his contract say he has to be in charge of the first team? How about the chairmans influence in transfer policies.

Worst comes to worst, let him see out his contract. Surly the same can apply to him if he lets any of this upset affect his managerial position and influence on the team.

extending it increases the pay-out if we fire him! assuming its on the same salary then a 2 year deal would double the payout, a 3 year deal would triple the pay out etc

And of course his contract would say he's first team manager! even if it didnt, the job which he has done since being here would dictate that its a demotion. Its not remorely a cloudy issue.

And why would we let him see his contract out? the damage he could do as a demotivated manager would be catastrophic!

 

[BrainOfLevy]

I've highlighted it before, but there have been more than a few shocking decisions over the last decade. One thing that Levy can never argue against is the way players/managers treat Spurs. Not with him being in charge. The way he has treated people has been horrific. He has promoted a no loyalty culture at the club, and shouldn't be shocked if it's reciprocated.

Doesn't mean we fans can't demand it though, if only because our manager admitted that uncertainty affects performances, and our manager gladly allowed that uncertainty to fester last season, to the detriment of our finishing position.

Regardless of the moral argument about whether Redknapp is right or wrong to want a new contact - I actually agree with what he says myself - when it comes to affecting our performances, us fans have a right to be tinkled if he lets uncertainty affect us when he knows full well it can damage performance levels.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

When I say extend I mean offer him a new but similar contract to what he is on, not continue his current one.

Demoting is a cloudy issue. Does his contract say he has to be in charge of the first team? How about the chairmans influence in transfer policies.

Worst comes to worst, let him see out his contract. Surly the same can apply to him if he lets any of this upset affect his managerial position and influence on the team.

Not a good idea in my opinion. It shouldn't have an effect on players, but it does. When Fergie announced he was retiring at the end of the season Utd became a shadow of themselves for a brief moment of time.

We need stability. It is one of the major factors in success. Levy either wants Redknapp to be our Manager or he doesn't. There can be no wait and see policy. I personally wouldn't give Redknapp a three year deal though. I'd extend his current contract by another year.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Doesn't mean we fans can't demand it though, if only because our manager admitted that uncertainty affects performances, and our manager gladly allowed that uncertainty to fester last season, to the detriment of our finishing position.

Regardless of the moral argument about whether Redknapp is right or wrong to want a new contact - I actually agree with what he says myself - when it comes to affecting our performances, us fans have a right to be tinkled if he lets uncertainty affect us when he knows full well it can damage performance levels.

True, but only the fans willing to do the same. Which we rarely are. You can have a good player at the club, a good loyal servant. But as soon as a better option becomes available us fans want us to sign him up and replace the loyal servant. Not much loyalty demonstrated there eh? And yet we demand it in return.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

True, but only the fans willing to do the same. Which we rarely are. You can have a good player at the club, a good loyal servant. But as soon as a better option becomes available us fans want us to sign him up and replace the loyal servant. Not much loyalty demonstrated there eh? And yet we demand it in return.

Fair enough I agree with you on loyalty.

But I feel as a fan I'm within my rights to not be loyal to Harry because he let uncertainty fester, and let speculation keep going. And he's admitted that it affects performances when he tried to deny it a few weeks ago. He has actively let our performances slide, and that's unforgivable IMO. Certainly shouldn't be rewarded with a new contract.

 

[polski sklep]

I've highlighted it before, but there have been more than a few shocking decisions over the last decade. One thing that Levy can never argue against is the way players/managers treat Spurs. Not with him being in charge. The way he has treated people has been horrific. He has promoted a no loyalty culture at the club, and shouldn't be shocked if it's reciprocated.

He should never have sold Pat Jennings!

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Fair enough I agree with you on loyalty.

But I feel as a fan I'm within my rights to not be loyal to Harry because he let uncertainty fester, and let speculation keep going. And he's admitted that it affects performances when he tried to deny it a few weeks ago. He has actively let our performances slide, and that's unforgivable IMO. Certainly shouldn't be rewarded with a new contract.

I don't really know what people wanted him to do though? If he'd come out and said he wanted to stay at Spurs and then left if England came calling he'd have looked like a right ****. He made it clear he wanted the England job, and I don't blame him for that. He is old school, and it's the highest honour.

Redknapp talks brick in the media. I really don't know why people allow themselves to get wound up about it.

 

[mick cooper]

Just like the time you threatened me in Random?

I didn't report it though.

I like the way the only way to win a debate here is to goad people in the hope they'll resort to personal abuse.

Shall I start talking about your kid and family?

I have never threatened anyone on the internet

you may have chosen to interpret something I said that way - like you chose to totally misinterpret Raboners statement to you

you then threatened him with violence, just how were you going to carry that out?

unless you have links to MI5 or the CIA - I would say you can't

- like they say, anyone can be hard as, sat behind a keyboard

 

[ArnieArdiles]

I'm not defending Levy's handling behaviour regarding Martin Jol but to be fair to him, he has shown Harry loyalty that perhaps many other football chairmen wouldn't have and paid him a top wage too. Was it Peter Storey then CEO of Portsmouth , told Harry, its a once in a lifetime opportunity to manage Spurs? .
He received the support from the fans and loyalty from Daniel Levy & the Spurs board during his court case. Someone should point it out to him that support & loyalty works both ways.

 

[spasm]

I have never threatened anyone on the internet

you may have chosen to interpret something I said that way - like you chose to totally misinterpret Raboners statement to you

you then threatened him with violence, just how were you going to carry that out?

unless you have links to MI5 or the CIA - I would say you can't

- like they say, anyone can be hard as, sat behind a keyboard

especially if you watch youporn all day or any of those anal videos that chich posts in the vice den.

 

[mick cooper]

Its just not that clear to me and why i asked for clarification, we are all Spurs supporters and we all want what is best for our club, we may disagree but that does not mean that some are better then others.

Its just that there seems to be some who think that because they want different to others they are not true supporters, i am happy that that is not the case and hopfully it will end the personal abuse.

you stopping snide comments would go a long way towards it as well