Redknapp

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Hopefully you're right.

How would you read the situation? Agendas/hopes aside I think its very odd that

A) Harry has only one year left on his deal (not Levys style at all on contracts), and

B) Its being played out in the press (I am certain the sun articles are a Harry mouthpiece, but otherwise the other papers are rolling with it as well) very publicly....

 

[Rorschach]

Also, does it mean stability?

Think about that. If the last two seasons are anything to go by it means a lack of consistency, with huge peaks and troughs in form. It means if a better job comes up he WILL have one foot out the door immediately. It means more short term buying, with the squad turning over. It means more poor rotation of the squad, as well as "mish mash" buying...

This are (of the negative) elements of Harrys tenure, do they strike you as stable?

I don't really want to debate Harry. One thread is enough and that is tedious beyond belief. In brief I will say that consistency and stability are two different things.
Stability for me is knowing who the manager will be next season and thus more focus on medium/long term planning. The court case, his (minor) health scare, the England job all introduced an element of doubt as to Harry's future. Harry's expiring contract does that too in my opinion. In there is an element of doubt over the manager then this is not a good platform to build and plan off.

 

[Leeds Spur]

Maybe it is not what he wants but his bargaining position has been weakened significantly due to the England mess and Spurs failure to make the CL, the later being rather unfortunate but true none the less. In the plus column he is statistically Spurs most successful manager since Bill.

In saying that I get the impression that Levy is not one to be swayed by emotion or personal relationships. He'll do what he thinks is best for the club. For me keeping Redknapp means stability and most successful (non-bankrolled) clubs do not change their manager willy nilly. Levy needs to back him or get rid. A one year rolling deal means Redknapp will always be thinking short term.

He's 65 and he's said barring England this is his last job. That means he's always thinking long term. I want him on his toes, not thinking he's on a cushy deal and relaxing. Maybe he'll actually take training if he thinks he's on borrowed time. The reports of why went down during the England rumours are a disgrace.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I don't really want to debate Harry. One thread is enough and that is tedious beyond belief. In brief I will say that consistency and stability are two different things.
Stability for me is knowing who the manager will be next season and thus more focus on medium/long term planning. The court case, his (minor) health scare, the England job all introduced an element of doubt as to Harry's future. Harry's expiring contract does that too in my opinion. In there is an element of doubt over the manager then this is not a good platform to build and plan off.

Appreciate not wanting to go round and round again, it was just that it occured to me in reading your post - "Stability in what way?"

Im not sure its necessarily a positive, is all I was trying to say

 

[Leeds Spur]

How would you read the situation? Agendas/hopes aside I think its very odd that

A) Harry has only one year left on his deal (not Levys style at all on contracts), and

B) Its being played out in the press (I am certain the sun articles are a Harry mouthpiece, but otherwise the other papers are rolling with it as well) very publicly....

Levy is patently thinking he ain't giving Harry an extension after the England debacle and that fact we didn't get champs league. But he's stopping short of sacking him. If we start the season well then hell offer better terms. Not before. The whole media issue is 100% Harry. We all know Levy doesn't speak to the press or anyone else! Look how wildly inaccurate the know fudge alls are!! This would be further tinkling levy off I reckon, who likes to e bullied do crudely via proxy? Certainly not Levy.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I find the idea of a good start to the season getting Redknapp his contract odd, its a very short term criteria and not very Levy like IMO.

This is why it all seems strange to me. If I had to guess I would say Levy wants to sack Redknapp, but is looking for justification...

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

Also, does it mean stability?

Think about that. If the last two seasons are anything to go by it means a lack of consistency, with huge peaks and troughs in form. It means if a better job comes up he WILL have one foot out the door immediately. It means more short term buying, with the squad turning over. It means more poor rotation of the squad, as well as "mish mash" buying...

This are (of the negative) elements of Harrys tenure, do they strike you as stable?

it's all relative.

for a club that turns over managers every couple of years, having a manager going into his 4th season is (the start) of stability.

all teams have peaks and troughs in results, but our league finishes have been stable, and very good too.

i think it's possible that the short term buying of last was down to the fact we couldn't get who we wanted. so it's better to go for short term, cheap buys to see us through until we can, rather than splashing out biiiig money on players like Bentley, Bent and Pav who either don't fit in or weren't first choice. let's not pretend that Saha and Nelsen were seen as the long term answer by Harry.

also, bear in mind that Harry hasn't only bought 'old' - we have Walker and Naughton on the books, plus Sandro, VDV was 27 when her came(?), Livermore (though not bought but being picked) played, what, 22 games last year? Vertonghen (should it come off) is 25 and even though Parker 31/31, we'll get 3 seasons out of him imo.

i think we should stick, for all the personal and footballing reasons people have against Harry, look at the results, look at the finishes and remember, change certainly does not guarantee success.

 

[mick cooper]

Sorry don't have time right now to respond to your whole post, but to be honest you should read my post a little more carefully.

I said clearly the difference is that with Harry we know what we are going to get.

Keeping him means no CL next season. Speculation - showing nothing but your bias against him
The stats and trends over the last 2 seasons back that up. No they don't, total misrepresentation
I NEVER SAID that would be "disaster," it's just the fact of the matter. Not a fact, Speculation - showing nothing but your bias against him
That's as far as Harry can take us. Speculation - showing nothing but your bias against him, you cannot see into the future

With a new manager, we will appoint someone who we've vetted and think can do a good job, but it's entirely possible that they fail.
However, IF they fail, we're no worse off than we were (no CL), if they succeed though, then we've moved forward plus we've found a manager who can stay possibly stay with us long term. Speculation - showing nothing but your bias against him, you cannot see into the future, a new manager could equally and statistically more likely do worse.




btw what if Woy fudges up at the Euros this summer (looks extremely likely). The press will call for his head and everyone will be wanting Harry and the whole fiasco could fudge up our preseason and start to the season, again. Speculation - expectancy is extremely low even in the gutter press, unless England lose by 3-4 goals in each game no-one will be calling for his head. Another 1/4 final and he will be the messiah

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

btw what if Woy fudges up at the Euros this summer (looks extremely likely). The press will call for his head and everyone will be wanting Harry and the whole fiasco could fudge up our preseason and start to the season, again.

Speculation - expectancy is extremely low even in the gutter press, unless England lose by 3-4 goals in each game no-one will be calling for his head. Another 1/4 final and he will be the messiah

Mick, how long have you been in Bermuda? Im quite certain Woy is on a (PR) tightrope as we speak. Expectancy might be low now but by next week it will be through the roof. The England hype machine (propelled by the tabloids) will have everyone (the idiot masses) convinced we will win and anything less is failure before you know it. Same story as with every other tournament the last decade or so.

Its not right, Ill agree with you there for sure, but it WILL happen, I can assure you.

DMac is posting a lot of opinion as fact, most of it in accurate IMO, but on this I think he is pretty well spot on.

If Woy were to go prematurely (say within the next year) Harry will again be installed as favourite and will gaain want the job (dont blame him for that) which could again impact our season.

 

[Rorschach]

Appreciate not wanting to go round and round again, it was just that it occured to me in reading your post - "Stability in what way?"

Im not sure its necessarily a positive, is all I was trying to say

I agree. Not much point in having a manger for years if there is no progression.

The opposite, uncertainty, is far worse in my mind. It is that uncertainty in the last third of our season that cost us 3rd spot. Of that I have no doubt.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

To be fair, 2009/10 was the exact opposite of a diabolical fudge up

winning 7 of the 8 last games = dictionary definition of a fudgeup, don'y ya know!

coming 4th last season = that droopy faced c***'s fault - note, 'fault', not achievement - cos we're so used to coming so high up the league. get him out.

nevermind the 4 good goals that weren't given that in all likelihood would have seen us 3rd, nah, forget the fact that Harry managed the team in those games where the officials screwed us.

nah, let's present speculation and opinion as fact to back up our own bias and then spoil every other thread with that vitriol.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Which we will suffer with again unless we commit to a manager now

 

[Leeds Spur]

Looks like Harry is pulling out of BBC pundit role? Should never have signed up IMO so I hope he does.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Where did you see that? Any reason given as to why?

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

Exactly.

We finally have a manager who consistently delivers, and yet some 'fans' want to unsettle that and change for something else?

All this fudging nonsense about us being 13pts clear; completely ignoring the fact that Harry Redknapp was the manager who actually put us 13pts clear. I don't give a flying fudge where we are mid-season, or how many points we have in February - it means fudge all! All that matters, is what you end up with at the end, after all 38 games have been played.

We finished 4th, a point - one fudging point - off 3rd. Still 4th though isn't it, ie: matching the highest we've ever finished in the Premier League. Any other season, and that would've secured us Champions League. And who was the manager to get both top 4 finishes? Ah yes, Harry Redknapp.

For fudge sake, some of you lot reeeeeeeeeeeally need to get over it Banging some boring, childish drum about 3rd - 'we were 3rd, we were 3rd, WE WERE 3RDZ!' - seriously, take a look at yourselves - no wonder Gooners enjoy tinkling themselves at us.

Take a look at how brick our performance has been in the history of the Premier League before any of you start getting all excited about sacking a manager whose record is: 4th, 5th, 4th. If you can't see that we're moving forward then I seriously worry about some of you.

=D> [-o<

 

[Leeds Spur]

I find the idea of a good start to the season getting Redknapp his contract odd, its a very short term criteria and not very Levy like IMO.

This is why it all seems strange to me. If I had to guess I would say Levy wants to sack Redknapp, but is looking for justification...

What could possible happen now that would be the silver bullet? Harry going on a cocaine and hooker binge? If Levy wants rid hell pay him off and be done with it. The Chelsea rumour is so laughable its untrue.

 

[mick cooper]

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Mick, how long have you been in Bermuda? Im quite certain Woy is on a (PR) tightrope as we speak. Expectancy might be low now but by next week it will be through the roof. The England hype machine (propelled by the tabloids) will have everyone (the idiot masses) convinced we will win and anything less is failure before you know it. Same story as with every other tournament the last decade or so.

Its not right, Ill agree with you there for sure, but it WILL happen, I can assure you.

DMac is posting a lot of opinion as fact, most of it in accurate IMO, but on this I think he is pretty well spot on.

If Woy were to go prematurely (say within the next year) Harry will again be installed as favourite and will gaain want the job (dont blame him for that) which could again impact our season.

If he gets the sack after the euros, then I think we will revisit the same situation, proof positive that the gutterpress were right to make HR favourite

What do you think Levy will put in a contract he offers him? I can (just about) guarantee that he will release a pre prepared statement denouncing any interest in the England role during his employment with THFC, that or sayonara sensei Redknapp this summer.

 

[mick cooper]

Looks like Harry is pulling out of BBC pundit role? Should never have signed up IMO so I hope he does.

If so then HR will be in a new contract negotiation, at a guess.

Plus grammar lessons,

we, we, we

not - me, me me

:ross:

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

What could possible happen now that would be the silver bullet? Harry going on a cocaine and hooker binge? If Levy wants rid hell pay him off and be done with it. The Chelsea rumour is so laughable its untrue.

At a guess I would say these supposed meetings they have been having.

I imagine Levy wants to be presented with a vision for the future, a plan, the developments Harry envisages....

I also imagine Redknapp is the sort of character who wont take too kindly to that.

So Im thinking Levy is trying to put Redknapp into a position where things simply break down and the choice is made...

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Hurry up and pull the trigger Levy!