Racism in football

[Glenda's Legs]

Calling a black person a monkey is hardly the same as killing Jews at synagogue or singing from the river to the sea. There is very little racism against black people in this country, regrettably we are seeing more and more antisemitism, largely fuelled by a weak government as well as white middle class students and Muslims. Once more, I don't condone racism directed at black people, but in the grand scheme of things it falls into the realms of insignificance. As you well know we are a Jewish football club, and have been for many years, I fear the day there is an atrocity at our stadium, and all people like you will do is stand up for the perpetrators because they aren't white

Despite what you say, you have literally just condoned racism directed at black people by calling it insignificant (oh, and maybe ask a black person whether or not there is in fact “very little racism against black people in this country”.)
It’s not a competition as to what type of racism is the worst. Calling black people “monkey” is despicable. Anti-semitism is despicable.
Trivialising one compared to the other is despicable. Deciding without being the victim that racism is insignificant is despicable.

 

[Lost Mango]

Calling a black person a monkey is hardly the same as killing Jews at synagogue or singing from the river to the sea. There is very little racism against black people in this country, regrettably we are seeing more and more antisemitism, largely fuelled by a weak government as well as white middle class students and Muslims. Once more, I don't condone racism directed at black people, but in the grand scheme of things it falls into the realms of insignificance. As you well know we are a Jewish football club, and have been for many years, I fear the day there is an atrocity at our stadium, and all people like you will do is stand up for the perpetrators because they aren't white

You've moved the goalposts.

From arguing that 'hurty words' were just woke nonsense you are now switching to compare different forms of prejudicial language (antisemitism isn't racism as being jewish is actually a choice still and religion isn't the same as ethnicity even if it can be a major component of that ethnicity).

Anything violent is significantly worse than anything verbal in that acute moment but chronic discrimination is a very real negative impact on lots of peoples lives and shouldn't be dismissed as 'hurty words' or not a 'real world problem'. It also generates the environment in many situations that lead to the violence that you fear.

How is singing (the Likud manifesto creation that has been adopted by Hamas) "from the river to the sea" anything more 'hurty word' than using racist language? Words are just words surely?? No matter what they imply.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Calling a black person a monkey is hardly the same as killing Jews at synagogue or singing from the river to the sea. There is very little racism against black people in this country, regrettably we are seeing more and more antisemitism, largely fuelled by a weak government as well as white middle class students and Muslims. Once more, I don't condone racism directed at black people, but in the grand scheme of things it falls into the realms of insignificance. As you well know we are a Jewish football club, and have been for many years, I fear the day there is an atrocity at our stadium, and all people like you will do is stand up for the perpetrators because they aren't white

Christ almighty. If you think I condone anti semitism or defend terrorists just because they are of a particular race or nationality, you’re trying to force me into this “woke lefty” stereotype that you’ve constructed in your own head.

Despite your protestations to the contrary you do condone racism and racist views if you dismiss calling black people monkeys as banter or insignificant.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Christ almighty. If you think I condone anti semitism or defend terrorists just because they are of a particular race or nationality, you’re trying to force me into this “woke lefty” stereotype that you’ve constructed in your own head.

Despite your protestations to the contrary you do condone racism and racist views if you dismiss calling black people monkeys as banter or insignificant.

@veryoldspur is a bigot. And a troll that many here engage with try to counter the bigotry.

 

[LutonSpurs]

@veryoldspur is a bigot. And a troll that many here engage with try to counter the bigotry.

@veryoldspur is a coward and a keyboard warrior.

 

[thfcsteff]

It's not indignant ignorance, it's an opinion gained through experience. In your world and the world of the woke people should ignore those experiences in order they can fit in with a narrative.

I refer you back to my original comments, I do not condone racism, I simply believe it's all been taken to far and isn't the massive crime it's being portrayed as. At present I am far more concerned with the massive amount of antisemitism that is allowed to continue. This is genuine and dangerous hatred rather than a bit of banter. This disgusting government isn't just allowing it to happen, but because the majority of the perpetrators come from a community they consider their voters they are encouraging it through their lack of action. The Nazis in a different form are raising their head, whilst thousands of flag waving fools sing "From The River To The Sea"

I had written something else but concluded it was a waste. You're just a race-baiting troll.

 

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[veryoldspur]

How is singing (the Likud manifesto creation that has been adopted by Hamas) "from the river to the sea" anything more 'hurty word' than using racist language? Words are just words surely?? No matter what they imply.

Let's get this straight, You don't think singing from the river to the sea, which is a request for the annihilation for entire race is worse than calling a black person a monkey. What world do you live in?

 

[veryoldspur]

Interesting how some of you lefties have blocked me. I post on political sites and it's exactly the same. They name call and attack people from the right because they have no logical arguments. Their opinions are based on a strange ideology rather than anything that actually makes any sense. You only have to see the present state of the country under this socialist government to see that. Once again, I do NOT condone racism, but one player calling another player a hurty word on a football pitch is like driving at 35mph in a 30mph limit, it shouldn't happen, but it's far from the end of the world. If anyone actually thinks that makes me a bigot they must have led a very sheltered life!

 

[treepits]

Interesting how some of you lefties have blocked me. I post on political sites and it's exactly the same. They name call and attack people from the right because they have no logical arguments. Their opinions are based on a strange ideology rather than anything that actually makes any sense. You only have to see the present state of the country under this socialist government to see that. Once again, I do NOT condone racism, but one player calling another player a hurty word on a football pitch is like driving at 35mph in a 30mph limit, it shouldn't happen, but it's far from the end of the world. If anyone actually thinks that makes me a bigot they must have led a very sheltered life!

I don;t think many people think hurty words are worse than, say, a stabbing at a synagogue or anywhere for that matter. But you're referring to a hurty song as worse than a hurty word and I don't understand how you can reach this conclusion.

I'm guessing you might be Jewish, apologies if this is a wrong assumption, and not black and so perhaps racism aimed towards a community you feel affiliated to seems worse than racism aimed towards those you perhaps don't feel so close to or understand the history and culture as much. I happen to have Jewish parents and think antisemitism is abhorrent but no more or less so than racism against other cultures and minorities - it's a sad fact of life this kind of abuse continues to occur and to be honest, will probably always happen in some form or other

But we can help make it better by recognising that when someone is verbally abused racially it's absolutely 100% unacceptable. No, of course the world shouldn't stop or the perpetrator be hanged out to dry. But as a society we can make it clear we don;t condone it and not belittle the offence by referring it as just hurty words

I believe you think you don;t condone racism, but you seem to divide it up into what you deem acceptable racism and unacceptable racism but if we can all agree that every form, regardless of how it is delivered, is beyond contempt, we go a little way towards making cases much fewer

 

[Rafa87]

Saying you don’t condone racism and then referring to it as “hurty words” is condoning racism, simple as. Minimising, ignorant behaviour.

 

[Lost Mango]

Let's get this straight, You don't think singing from the river to the sea, which is a request for the annihilation for entire race is worse than calling a black person a monkey. What world do you live in?

I'm just trying to establish where 'hurty words' stop just being words and become proper 'hurty' and the timeframe around it all.

Is is just subjective to what one cares about?

Also do you condone the actual physical attacks on a people to create the reality of 'from the river to the sea' in the same ways you are attacking the chanting of a slogan?

Also it isn't (assuming from your earlier posts that you are referring to the use of the chant at pro-Palestine events) for the annihilation of an 'entire race' (again being jewish is cultural not an ethnicity) it is for the destruction of a state and the removal of colonizers from authority. (Just to be clear I don't agree with either Israel or Hamas positions or methods on either sides attempts at achieving this one state solution).

 

[veryoldspur]

I'm just trying to establish where 'hurty words' stop just being words and become proper 'hurty' and the timeframe around it all.

Is is just subjective to what one cares about?

Also do you condone the actual physical attacks on a people to create the reality of 'from the river to the sea' in the same ways you are attacking the chanting of a slogan?

Also it isn't (assuming from your earlier posts that you are referring to the use of the chant at pro-Palestine events) for the annihilation of an 'entire race' (again being jewish is cultural not an ethnicity) it is for the destruction of a state and the removal of colonizers from authority. (Just to be clear I don't agree with either Israel or Hamas positions or methods on either sides attempts at achieving this one state solution).

Nobody has the right NOT to be offended.

Call some a tw@t and it's generally considered OK, call someone a big nosed tw@t and it's OK, call someone a white tw@t and nothing would happen, call someone a black tw@t and you're going to prison without passing go. We live in an over sensitive society with some very strange laws and priorities. Unfortunately many people get sucked into all the nonsense and start to believe it makes sense.

In reply to RAFA87, you're talking nonsense. You're assumption that I must be racist because I believe hurty words don't mean much is nothing short crazy and ridiculously woke. Many things are wrong in society, including breaking the speed limit, dropping litter, and shop lifting, all of which in my book are far worse than calling someone a name they don't like. We have a minority of woke people in this country obsessed with all sorts of crazy ideas and ideals, unfortunately this has spread to some people who would otherwise be quite normal. We really are strange creatures

 

[LutonSpurs]

Nobody has the right NOT to be offended.

Call some a tw@t and it's generally considered OK, call someone a big nosed tw@t and it's OK, call someone a white tw@t and nothing would happen, call someone a black tw@t and you're going to prison without passing go. We live in an over sensitive society with some very strange laws and priorities. Unfortunately many people get sucked into all the nonsense and start to believe it makes sense.

In reply to RAFA87, you're talking nonsense. You're assumption that I must be racist because I believe hurty words don't mean much is nothing short crazy and ridiculously woke. Many things are wrong in society, including breaking the speed limit, dropping litter, and shop lifting, all of which in my book are far worse than calling someone a name they don't like. We have a minority of woke people in this country obsessed with all sorts of crazy ideas and ideals, unfortunately this has spread to some people who would otherwise be quite normal. We really are strange creatures

tl:dr still racist

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

. Many things are wrong in society, including breaking the speed limit, dropping litter, and shop lifting, all of which in my book are far worse than calling someone a name they don't like.

Checking on this, you think dropping litter is worse than calling a black person.....say....a monkey??

 

[Penwith Pete]

@veryoldspur is a coward and a keyboard warrior.

Says the most cowardly, bigoted, deflecting bully on this board.

The pile-ons on this board are disgusting and you're often the ringleader. Try to recognise that people are emotional, that we all have different life experiences and we all face different challenges. Read between the lines, take off the blinkers that we all have at times and rather than jump to conclusions about an individual, engage with them. Recognise that your words may affect that faceless 'keyboard warrior' and consider whether or not you want to be that person that pushes someone over the edge.

There was a time not too many years ago when our shared love of Spurs gave us grounding for tolerant and engaging conversation, a shared experience that highlighted our similarities rather than our differences and brought people that otherwise probably wouldn't engage with one another together. Let's try to get back to that.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Says the most cowardly, bigoted, deflecting bully on this board.

The pile-ons on this board are disgusting and you're often the ringleader. Try to recognise that people are emotional, that we all have different life experiences and we all face different challenges. Read between the lines, take off the blinkers that we all have at times and rather than jump to conclusions about an individual, engage with them. Recognise that your words may affect that faceless 'keyboard warrior' and consider whether or not you want to be that person that pushes someone over the edge.

There was a time not too many years ago when our shared love of Spurs gave us grounding for tolerant and engaging conversation, a shared experience that highlighted our similarities rather than our differences and brought people that otherwise probably wouldn't engage with one another together. Let's try to get back to that.

I don't think we've met Pete. You sound angry.

 

[Penwith Pete]

I don't think we've met Pete. You sound angry.

You're a bully.

 

[Rafa87]

Nobody has the right NOT to be offended.

Call some a tw@t and it's generally considered OK, call someone a big nosed tw@t and it's OK, call someone a white tw@t and nothing would happen, call someone a black tw@t and you're going to prison without passing go. We live in an over sensitive society with some very strange laws and priorities. Unfortunately many people get sucked into all the nonsense and start to believe it makes sense.

In reply to RAFA87, you're talking nonsense. You're assumption that I must be racist because I believe hurty words don't mean much is nothing short crazy and ridiculously woke. Many things are wrong in society, including breaking the speed limit, dropping litter, and shop lifting, all of which in my book are far worse than calling someone a name they don't like. We have a minority of woke people in this country obsessed with all sorts of crazy ideas and ideals, unfortunately this has spread to some people who would otherwise be quite normal. We really are strange creatures

Sorry but you’re ignorant and a fool.

Things you have related to using racist language so far:

Doing 35 in a 30
Littering
Shop lifting

Play “what about” is pointless here. Shoplifting, speeding and littering are all in their own way offences that can cause their own version of harm. Treating someone differently or calling them names or abusing them is racism.

The fact that you can’t understand that you condone racism with this attitude means you’re either a massive bigot, have led a sheltered life and can never understand what being a victim of racism feels like, or you’re trolling people for the reaction that I’m probably giving you.

You probably don’t actually know what woke really even means, you just use it as a term to say “I wouldn’t be offended by that so if you are it’s because you’re ‘woke’”.

You’re right not everything everyone gets offended by is a problem. But racism is, no one should be treated differently or given abuse over the colour of their skin.

You say you don’t condone it, yet all of your actions and words show that you do. You don’t care about racist abuse and you use the words GB news have taught you to make out that if you think racism is a problem you’re probably just a bit soft.

It’s ignorant.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Sorry but you’re ignorant and a fool.

Things you have related to using racist language so far:

Doing 35 in a 30
Littering
Shop lifting

Play “what about” is pointless here. Shoplifting, speeding and littering are all in their own way offences that can cause their own version of harm. Treating someone differently or calling them names or abusing them is racism.

The fact that you can’t understand that you condone racism with this attitude means you’re either a massive bigot, have led a sheltered life and can never understand what being a victim of racism feels like, or you’re trolling people for the reaction that I’m probably giving you.

You probably don’t actually know what woke really even means, you just use it as a term to say “I wouldn’t be offended by that so if you are it’s because you’re ‘woke’”.

You’re right not everything everyone gets offended by is a problem. But racism is, no one should be treated differently or given abuse over the colour of their skin.

You say you don’t condone it, yet all of your actions and words show that you do. You don’t care about racist abuse and you use the words GB news have taught you to make out that if you think racism is a problem you’re probably just a bit soft.

It’s ignorant.

Bully