Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[robp135]

And there are 7m migrants here doing the exact thing who you seemingly think are fair game because of illegal immigrants

Again, not what I said.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Again, not what I said.

Not directly, but when you produce excuses for it and post graphs in response about illegals when talking about working migrants it becomes pretty clear whats being alluded to.

My OP over the weekend where this has originated was literally me saying that I felt sorry for anyone here working hard for a better life who is facing the kinds of abuse thats clearly rising in the UK. What an outrageous view

 

[thfcsteff]

Figures are based on households.

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Here's some history behind why Somalia is one of the very poorest countries in the world...same old story really...it appears Somalians are considered largely unimportant to most people...tragic on a humanitarian basis. Before you jump to an assumption, let me be clear I am speaking about the general global attitude towards the country.

https://jacobin.com/2022/11/somalia-cold-war-war-on-terror-us-intervention-destabilization

 

[robp135]

Not directly, but when you produce excuses for it and post graphs in response about illegals when talking about working migrants it becomes pretty clear whats being alluded to.

My OP over the weekend where this has originated was literally me saying that I felt sorry for anyone here working hard for a better life who is facing the kinds of abuse thats clearly rising in the UK. What an outrageous view

We both want the same thing. I beleive part of what makes that achievable is if you crack down on the bad eggs that abuse the system.

 

[thfcsteff]

Its clearly avoidable when you see a Dr who is working for example, your brain can compute that they might, might just be here working and benefit to society and not racially abuse them.

Some just need to engage their brains, I suspect there isnt an appetite to do so though


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There will be many who do not remember (or know) the 70s and 80s when this sort of thing was sadly commonplace. For those of us who DO remember it, let's just say that we're sadly seeing the same conditions in society.

 

[robp135]

There will be many who do not remember (or know) the 70s and 80s when this sort of thing was sadly commonplace. For those of us who DO remember it, let's just say that we're sadly seeing the same conditions in society.

And it is avoidable.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Here's some history behind why Somalia is one of the very poorest countries in the world...same old story really...it appears Somalians are considered largely unimportant to most people...tragic on a humanitarian basis. Before you jump to an assumption, let me be clear I am speaking about the general global attitude towards the country.

https://jacobin.com/2022/11/somalia-cold-war-war-on-terror-us-intervention-destabilization

I went down abit of a mini rabbit hole and seemingly they appear a pretty important workforce in some US states, apparently around Healthcare jobs etc.

 

[thfcsteff]

We both want the same thing. I beleive part of what makes that achievable is if you crack down on the bad eggs that abuse the system.

That requires specifity with the egg monitoring as opposed to discdring entire pallets because a couple have cracked shells or smell funny.

 

[thfcsteff]

And it is avoidable.

Personal responsibility is the first step. Don't be a fool who fools for rhetoric; that's a great way to avoid further trouble...

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

There will be many who do not remember (or know) the 70s and 80s when this sort of thing was sadly commonplace. For those of us who DO remember it, let's just say that we're sadly seeing the same conditions in society.

Yeh, like I have said before, my grandparents were in the cross hairs back then as Jews along with the Irish, West Indians and Indian/Sikh community. And all that seems to have happened is the cross hairs have moved and we are now just demonizing different people now.

I get there are issues here and illegal immigration muds the waters, but in my example, if you cant distinguish between an illegal and. Dr who has studied 8 years for their career then maybe you are just as much as an issue in society as anyone you complain about.