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Glenda's Legs said:
So even if a significant amount of people from a certain country (or even region as you said - how wide does that stretch?) - are working, you’d block everyone from that country (or region) because the majority aren’t?
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Country yes. In the US data suggests upward of 75% of Somalian immigrant households are on welfare. Unless you can get a skills visa, if your from Somalia you should be refused. Not controversial at all.
 
robp135 said:
As I have said previously. If its such small numbers it shouldn’t be difficult to address and there should be a willingness to do that.
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And in the meantime it's perfectly easy to be kind to those here working hard and for people not to use immigration stats as some kind of get out of free card for the rise in hate crime in the UK. In people I mean the wider population and not you, before I am accused of putting words in mouths
 
robp135 said:
Country yes. In the US data suggests upward of 75% of Somalian immigrant households are on welfare. Unless you can get a skills visa, if your from Somalia you should be refused. Not controversial at all.
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Thats different from the original statement of not accepting any immigration from those countries.

In fairness there is a huge hard working Somalian workforce globally
 
robp135 said:
Country yes. In the US data suggests upward of 75% of Somalian immigrant households are on welfare. Unless you can get a skills visa, if your from Somalia you should be refused. Not controversial at all.
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If you come here from Somalia and claim asylum and if your claim is adjudged to be a valid one then you should not be refused asylum.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
And in the meantime it's perfectly easy to be kind to those here working hard and for people not to use immigration stats as some kind of get out of free card for the rise in hate crime in the UK. In people I mean the wider population and not you, before I am accused of putting words in mouths
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Again you are putting words in peoples mouths.
 
robp135 said:
Again you are putting words in peoples mouths.
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Clearly not....

And TBF again I have mentioned being kinder to migrants here working only to have stats or rhetoric produced to kind of suggest it either deserved or somehow justified.

Its fine if you think working migrants are fair game, you could just say you dont think it if you dont and make the point alot clearer
 
robp135 said:
If there is a country where anything like 75% of immigrants are on benefits, we should not accept immigrants from that country.
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Maybe the matrix is blocking or controlling my my Google, but isnt it more 60% of them in the US in work? I woukd suspect a large % of those not employed are women who are homemakers given cultural differences and it seems 65% of somali women are unemployed
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Clearly not....

And TBF again I have mentioned being kinder to migrants here working only to have stats or rhetoric produced to kind of suggest it either deserved or somehow justified.

Its fine if you think working migrants are fair game, you could just say you dont think it if you dont and make the point alot clearer
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I don’t think it’s fine. I think it’s an unavoidable consequence.
 
robp135 said:
I don’t think it’s fine. I think it’s an unavoidable consequence.
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Its clearly avoidable when you see a Dr who is working for example, your brain can compute that they might, might just be here working and benefit to society and not racially abuse them.

Some just need to engage their brains, I suspect there isnt an appetite to do so though


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MartyFunkhouser said:
Its clearly avoidable when you see a Dr who is working for example, your brain can compute that they might, might just be here working and benefit to society and not racially abuse them.

Some just need to engage their brains, I suspect there isnt an appetite to do so though


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Of course that is terrible but pulling out these one of events would be like me pulling out a one off story about immigrants sexually assaulting women.
 
robp135 said:
Of course that is terrible but pulling out these one of events would be like me pulling out a one off story about immigrants sexually assaulting women.
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And any sensible person would not conflate all sexual assault with just immigrants whilst calling out the assault without doubt. But the difference would be that sexual assault is a universal issue, not just undertaken by immigrants, so not sure what that example would used to prove and in which context. Whereas its pretty hard for Pakistani Drs to be racist towards themselves.

The example given clearly is not just one off event, racist incidents agaisnt NHS staff have tripled in a year, so it's becoming a more prevalent thing.

Hate crime and racism in the UK is clearly driving upwards.

And people have a choice, they can either mindlessly aim hatred at the wrong audience who are here to work and better their lives or they can set the example they claim to want to see their society to be.

The hypocrisy of it is that these people who carry out these attacks do so. Often making bold speeches about how others are pulling down the quality of society whilst doing exactly what they accuse others of.
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
And any sensible person would not conflate all sexual assault with just immigrants whilst calling out the assault without doubt. But the difference would be that sexual assault is a universal issue, not just undertaken by immigrants, so not sure what that example would used to prove and in which context. Whereas its pretty hard for Pakistani Drs to be racist towards themselves.

The example given clearly is not just one off event, racist incidents agaisnt NHS staff have tripled in a year, so it's becoming a more prevalent thing.

Hate crime and racism in the UK is clearly driving upwards.

And people have a choice, they can either mindlessly aim hatred at the wrong audience who are here to work and better their lives or they can set the example they claim to want to see their society to be.

The hypocrisy of it is that these people who carry out these attacks do so. Often making bold speeches about how others are pulling down the quality of society whilst doing exactly what they accuse others of.
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Racism isnt a universal issue?
Sexual assault perpetrated by Immigrants is not prominent?
 
robp135 said:
Racism isnt a universal issue?
Sexual assault perpetrated by Immigrants is not prominent?
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Sexual assault on women carried out by men is prominent....I am not getting drawn into one of these BS arguments that because some migrants have sexually assaulted people that its reflective of the 7m who are here working hard and wanting a normal peaceful life.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Racism against all people carried out by all races is prominent....I am not getting drawn into one of these BS arguments that because some people have racially insulted people that its reflective of the 50m who are here working hard and wanting a normal peaceful life.
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Fixed it for you.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Its strange that you have this case of playing equivalence and conflating two different subjects to justify the other

You keep claiming I am putting words in your mouth but its fairly clear you have little sympathy for those being attacked or under wrongful pressure because of your negative view on immigration.

Given your an immigrant yourself I find it a strange look given there are millions here doing the exact same you are doing in the US.
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I have never claimed $1 in welfare in the 20 years I’ve lived here while paying well over $2.5M in taxes, social security and medicare contributions. I think it’s you that’s playing false equivalence here
 
Gazza said:
No need to chime in pal. Relax.
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My word...
Are you trying to be my guardian?
I'll say (or not say) exactly what I want.

I found this specific post of yours particularly fudging annoying; so I shared my thoughts with you.
Take that as a fact in isolation of whatever construct you're living in.
 
robp135 said:
I have never claimed $1 in welfare in the 20 years I’ve lived here while paying well over $2.5M in taxes, social security and medicare contributions. I think it’s you that’s playing false equivalence here
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And there are 7m migrants here doing the exact thing who you seemingly think are fair game because of illegal immigrants
 
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