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Grays_1890 said:
He is going to need a bigger boat
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The funny thing about these old bible stories is, i was for example chatting to someone that said science had disproved most of it. For example, the Eartb being created in 7 days. I said, well actually no, what science has proven is that there is actually only one comstant in the universe that we know of: which is the speed of light. Time is relative. If we accept that bronze age humans were communicating in some way with an advanced transdimensional being with the power to manipulate space and time, and writing what they told them in a book, it's very likely that billions of years = 7 "days".

The thing with the noahs ark story is it was "GHod" telling humans what to do if they f***ed the planet.

How far off are we from building a space ship with two samples of known life from Earth and setting off to find another habitable planet as global warming floods everywhere?
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think it's the purchase price that's the problem.

It's the ongoing cost combined with the blame for failure when the system can't possibly keep up with the numbers it needs to.
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On goong cost?

People will still need to pay bills? No?

Also investment and building of new tech and energy creation will be paid for out tax payera money....

Which won't need to added to books either.

There is no justification for not doing it.
 
Kompakted said:
The funny thing about these old bible stories is, i was for example chatting to someone that said science had disproved most of it. For example, the Eartb being created in 7 days. I said, well actually no, what science has proven is that there is actually only one comstant in the universe that we know of: which is the speed of light. Time is relative. If we accept that bronze age humans were communicating in some way with an advanced transdimensional being with the power to manipulate space and time, and writing what they told them in a book, it's very likely that billions of years = 7 "days".

The thing with the noahs ark story is it was "GHod" telling humans what to do if they f***ed the planet.

How far off are we from building a space ship with two samples of known life from Earth and setting off to find another habitable planet as global warming floods everywhere?
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Its also a nice way to tell a story where peoples heads were too primitive to accept the complexity of reality. It also kept order.

But thankfully most people stopped believing in sky fairies when they gained rational thought
 
Kompakted said:
The funny thing about these old bible stories is, i was for example chatting to someone that said science had disproved most of it. For example, the Eartb being created in 7 days. I said, well actually no, what science has proven is that there is actually only one comstant in the universe that we know of: which is the speed of light. Time is relative. If we accept that bronze age humans were communicating in some way with an advanced transdimensional being with the power to manipulate space and time, and writing what they told them in a book, it's very likely that billions of years = 7 "days".

The thing with the noahs ark story is it was "GHod" telling humans what to do if they f***ed the planet.

How far off are we from building a space ship with two samples of known life from Earth and setting off to find another habitable planet as global warming floods everywhere?
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Religion is BS... A great big steaming pile of turd.

Noah, story is BS...

And the rest of it was just waffle...
 
Grays_1890 said:
Its also a nice way to tell a story where peoples heads were too primitive to accept the complexity of reality. It also kept order.

But thankfully most people stopped believing in sky fairies when they gained rational thought
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Tell that to the Muslims.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Increasing amounts of people in this country believe in quite a nasty sky fairy
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Christian version of GHod? I mean that version of how you should live your life and what apparently gets you entered into his heaven would make him the biggest cnut in the world

Or the cnut who said “You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and that shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you"

Its a pretty low bar
 
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SkipRat said:
At current rates 20% of population will be Muslim by 2050.

Britons, will be a minority by 2100.

Can't wait for your daughters to be treated like 2nd class citizens, for nit wearing a hojabd, beaten for having sex before marriage.

Islam and Sharia law, is just f*cked up and has no place in the Mossend world.

It's barbaric BS.

Of course, as always.... Its a religion of peace in full you break one of their bs rules.
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According to the 2021 census 6.5% of the population were Muslim.
This compared to 5% in 2011
The figure for 2001 was 3%

In 1991 the census questions were actually Christian specific and about whether you believed or not and attended church regularly. In 1991 95% of the population identified as White British and so we can infer that the % of muslims was very low at that point, which does show the significant demographic change brought about by the Blair government's mass immigration

However the rate in increase as a % slowed down between 2011 and 2021 so it isn't true that at current rates they'd hit 20% in 2050.

It should also be pointed out that many analysts think the true extent of Muslim population was understated in previous censuses as Muslims were afraid of identifying themselves or disproportionately did not complete census forms for other reasons. Therefore the true rate of growth is assessed to be overstated previously.

Again, I see high Muslim immigration as a potential problem (so do many previous generations of Muslim immigrants BTW- a lot tried to get away from all the extreme sharia stuff). But i want to deal with facts not hyperbole.

The real issue actually is that Muslim populations are highly concentrated- so it feels like a real big issue in parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford etc, but there are vast swathes of the country where there are no mosques and you'll never meet one.
 
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Kompakted said:
According to the 2021 census 6.5% of the population were Muslim.
This compared to 5% in 2011
The figure for 2001 was 3%

In 1991 the census questions were actually Christian specific and about whether you believed or not and attended church regularly. In 1991 95% of the population identified as White British and so we can infer that the % of muslims was very low at that point, which does show the significant demographic change brought about by the Blair government's mass immigration

However the rate in increase as a % slowed down between 2011 and 2021 so it isn't true that at current rates they'd hit 20% in 2050.

Again, I see high Muslim immigration as a potential problem (so do many previous generations of Muslim immigrants BTW- a lot tried to get away from all the extreme sharia stuff). But i want to deal with facts not hyperbole.

The real issue actually is that Muslim populations are highly concentrated- so it feels like a real big issue in parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford etc, but there are vast swathes of the country where there are no mosques and you'll never meet one.
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That's the issue with brush stroke opinion, there are fundamental religious nuts in all religions, which I why I find opinions for everyone being bad a ridiculous view on society. IMO you take everyone on face value not a pre judgement because of their religion or skin tone

Growing up in East London and Essex there was a high concentration of Muslims, played cricket with loads, worked with some, friends with a few and to a person great people, all with varying degrees of beliefs. I get there are issues with extremists but thats the same with any.
 
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Grays_1890 said:
That's the issue with brush stroke opinion, there are fundamental religious nuts in all religions, which I why I find opinions for all a bad view on society. But IMO you take everyone on face value not a pre judgement because of their religion or skin tone

Growing up in East London and Essex there was a high concentration of Muslims, played cricket with loads, worked with some, friends with a few and to a person great people, all with varying degrees of beliefs. I get there are issues with extremists but thats the same with any.
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Extremists are that by nature, if it wasn't religion it would be something else.
It's not colour of skin or religion that makes them extremist, that's only how it manifests.
 
Rorschach said:
Ah the 3310. Totally bullet proof phone. I dropped one off scaffolding 13 stories up and it landed in wet concrete (luckily). I fished it out and washed it with a bottle of 7up. Perfect.
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I once went out and got absolutely smashed
Woke up next day and didn't have my phone.
Retraced what i could remember of my steps and found it in the park round the corner from the chip shop we stopped at on the way home.
covered in rain and mud and a small crack on the plastic cover.
I rubbed it down and played snake on the way home in-between replying to texts asking if I was dead
 
Interesting that in Starmer's speech he has stated that the civil service have become comfortable with failure and managed decline.

This seems to have been a re-curring theme among governments after a few months to a year of having to work with them, ever since David Cameron's "enemies of enterprise" speech in 2011.

It's long been stated that Tony Blair's government created an unwieldy monster of big government that later Tory ministers referred to as "the blob" (in that they prevented any real change from happening).

Dominic Cummings was particularly scathing and attempted to embark on a gutting exercise under the Johnson government that likely ended in the constant leaks that ultimately brought Cummings and eventually that government down (note: it was their own transgressions that brought them down but every transgression made its way into the press very rapidly).

It's interesting that a new Labour administration is now saying the same things and see the civil service as being a key threat to achieving their agenda. Its also interesting that I'm surprised that the press leaks from inside government (the Lord Ali stuff, Haigh's conviction) have kept coming which makes sense when Starmer's speech suggests there's been an immediate butting of heads between existing civil servants and the incoming government.....
 
SkipRat said:
On goong cost?

People will still need to pay bills? No?

Also investment and building of new tech and energy creation will be paid for out tax payera money....

Which won't need to added to books either.

There is no justification for not doing it.
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Bills will need increasing significantly to cover the increased investment needed. Govt won't want that blame.

Currently govt doesn't want to spend our money on the infrastructure as the money's all been allocated to train drivers and protecting anti-Semites every Saturday. If they don't spend it now the water companies take the blame. If they nationalise and don't spend they get the blame.
 
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