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SpiderSpurs said:
Reform were thinking about it back in Oct, not heard anything since.

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Reform threatens private prosecution over Manchester Airport disturbance

Reform UK said it was taking too long for the CPS to reach a decision on charging the men alleged to have been involved in the disturbance.
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Strange that those guys haven't been charged already though.
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Not really though if the enquiry into the associated incident of the police kicking one of the assailants after he had been tasered is still ongoing.
I think there’s also the first altercation (don’t think there’s been any video of that?) which led to the police being called in the first place (which then led to the female officer getting attacked and then to the tasering and the kicking).
I’d imagine it’s a bit more complex than just the one charge.
I mentioned elsewhere that if it takes a bit longer for the CPS to get the charges right so that a conviction follows then it’s worth taking a bit longer imo, despite the likes of Farage trying to stir things up.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Not really though if the enquiry into the associated incident of the police kicking one of the assailants after he had been tasered is still ongoing.
I think there’s also the first altercation (don’t think there’s been any video of that?) which led to the police being called in the first place (which then led to the female officer getting attacked and then to the tasering and the kicking).
I’d imagine it’s a bit more complex than just the one charge.
I mentioned elsewhere that if it takes a bit longer for the CPS to get the charges right so that a conviction follows then it’s worth taking a bit longer imo, despite the likes of Farage trying to stir things up.
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Stir things up or make sure it does not get swept under the carpet?


They managed to get court cases heard quite quickly in the summer. As it stands violent persons are (assuming) still walking around free, though hopefully at least on bail.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Not really though if the enquiry into the associated incident of the police kicking one of the assailants after he had been tasered is still ongoing.
I think there’s also the first altercation (don’t think there’s been any video of that?) which led to the police being called in the first place (which then led to the female officer getting attacked and then to the tasering and the kicking).
I’d imagine it’s a bit more complex than just the one charge.
I mentioned elsewhere that if it takes a bit longer for the CPS to get the charges right so that a conviction follows then it’s worth taking a bit longer imo, despite the likes of Farage trying to stir things up.
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Four months?
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Farage bringing a private prosecution against the guys who unprovoked attacked violently female police officers at Manchester airport is an interesting development.

As our court system has become ever more political and the CPS make odd decisions about the seriousness of crimes I wonder if this will happen more.
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There's an element of chicken and egg for me. There's no doubt been a significant worsening in trust between the public and government/institutions. This has led to a deterioration of behaviour in some parts of society but also I think an increasing lack of transparency and candor on the institutional side, leading to a vicious cycle in deteriorating social cohesion.

I think the Southport attack and subsequent riots summed it up for me:
- There's clearly been a lack of full transparency from the authorities about the incident. They kept saying they weren't treating it as a terrorist attack and derided people for claiming that it was, then charged the suspect with terrorism offences "but it still isn't a terrorism incident". I mean, that's just fueling the situation. On the other hand, if you riot and take the law into your own hands, you can hardly blame the authorities from being coy over or attempting to cover up potentially incendiary information.

We really do seem to have tied ourselves up in knots as a society and the results are there for all to see...
 
Kompakted said:
There's an element of chicken and egg for me. There's no doubt been a significant worsening in trust between the public and government/institutions. This has led to a deterioration of behaviour in some parts of society but also I think an increasing lack of transparency and candor on the institutional side, leading to a vicious cycle in deteriorating social cohesion.

I think the Southport attack and subsequent riots summed it up for me:
- There's clearly been a lack of full transparency from the authorities about the incident. They kept saying they weren't treating it as a terrorist attack and derided people for claiming that it was, then charged the suspect with terrorism offences "but it still isn't a terrorism incident". I mean, that's just fueling the situation. On the other hand, if you riot and take the law into your own hands, you can hardly blame the authorities from being coy over or attempting to cover up potentially incendiary information.

We really do seem to have tied ourselves up in knots as a society and the results are there for all to see...
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It is actually pretty simple. The rioters are criminals and so are people that violently assault police officers when there just doing their jobs
 
Not been picked up on much by mainstream media yet, but this guy:
appears to have been a divisional director at HBOS (now retired) while Rachel Reeves was there.

He has tagged her in a LinkedIn post alleging that:
- Reeves was never an economist at the bank as per her own LinkedIn profile.
- That she worked as a senior complaints manager 3 levels below him.
- That she and the 3 other senior complaints managers were investigated for signing off each other's expenses and got a narrow escape during the disciplinary process.
- That she was later subject to a further internal investigation that established that multiple sickness absences to attend doctors and dentists appointments were actually to carry out labour council work. She resigned during the disciplinary process rather than risk being sacked.

The Order Order site has reported that following his intervention Reeves has removed the reference to being an economist and replaced it with retail banking operations.

Most of the fuss on socials so far has been the bit about her lying about her CV. For me I actually found the conduct and expenses bit more illuminating given the conduct and expenses culture we can see in the senior ranks of the Labour Party since taking office.

All of it adds to the feeling that of we booted the last lot out thinking they were a bunch of chances and charlatans, I honestly think this lot are shaping up to be even worse....
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
It is actually pretty simple. The rioters are criminals and so are people that violently assault police officers when there just doing their jobs
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Think mass rioting isn't that simple. Are mass rioters in Iran following a woman being beaten to death by police "just criminals?" The just stop oil and BLM protectors have divided opinion in relation to their conduct, but at a basic level, yes, all of the people's conduct I've mentioned was criminal. Problem with violent protest is that, e.g. there were thousands of people taking part in violent disorder following the Southport incident. The police and justice system won't have capacity to deal with everyone involved so they'll triage CCTV and eye witness accounts and target the "worst offenders" for criminal proceedings and let the rest go.
 
And inflation is back above the 2% target again....slow hand clap for the Chancellor, whatever her experience and previous employment conduct may be.....
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Reform were thinking about it back in Oct, not heard anything since.

www.standard.co.uk

Reform threatens private prosecution over Manchester Airport disturbance

Reform UK said it was taking too long for the CPS to reach a decision on charging the men alleged to have been involved in the disturbance.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

Strange that those guys haven't been charged already though.
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Coz they are not white.

They would be if they was white, labelled as thugs and scum, and the stamp would have resulted in cries of they got what they deserved.

the double standards of it all.
Glenda's Legs said:
Not really though if the enquiry into the associated incident of the police kicking one of the assailants after he had been tasered is still ongoing.
I think there’s also the first altercation (don’t think there’s been any video of that?) which led to the police being called in the first place (which then led to the female officer getting attacked and then to the tasering and the kicking).
I’d imagine it’s a bit more complex than just the one charge.
I mentioned elsewhere that if it takes a bit longer for the CPS to get the charges right so that a conviction follows then it’s worth taking a bit longer imo, despite the likes of Farage trying to stir things up.
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They they attacked all the officers and brutally. The officer that stamped, IIRC, got hit something like 15 times to the head.

The thing that annoys me and most other people, was that they were made out to be victims, live conference about how traumatised they were, and the phone footage cut to make it look like police brutality...

The during the riots it was only white people named and shamed, muslims walking around the streets with machetes, sussing people in cars and pubs... nothing said.

People have no trust in the police force any more, nor the system.

I have no faith they will be imprisoned, but if I call Starmer a taco on face book, i could face years in jail
 
Kompakted said:
Not been picked up on much by mainstream media yet, but this guy:
appears to have been a divisional director at HBOS (now retired) while Rachel Reeves was there.

He has tagged her in a LinkedIn post alleging that:
- Reeves was never an economist at the bank as per her own LinkedIn profile.
- That she worked as a senior complaints manager 3 levels below him.
- That she and the 3 other senior complaints managers were investigated for signing off each other's expenses and got a narrow escape during the disciplinary process.
- That she was later subject to a further internal investigation that established that multiple sickness absences to attend doctors and dentists appointments were actually to carry out labour council work. She resigned during the disciplinary process rather than risk being sacked.

The Order Order site has reported that following his intervention Reeves has removed the reference to being an economist and replaced it with retail banking operations.

Most of the fuss on socials so far has been the bit about her lying about her CV. For me I actually found the conduct and expenses bit more illuminating given the conduct and expenses culture we can see in the senior ranks of the Labour Party since taking office.

All of it adds to the feeling that of we booted the last lot out thinking they were a bunch of chances and charlatans, I honestly think this lot are shaping up to be even worse....
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We spent 8 billions last week on destroying fraudulent PPE stocks.

But yeah. Rachel Reeves embellished her CV and Kier starmer got a free pair of glasses. That's more important than the 8 billions of tax payer money that went directly to the Tory mates pockets.

And that's not including the 40 odd billion given to Tory donors on a never seen track and trace app.

It's definitely the same level of corruption.
 
Batspur said:
We spent 8 billions last week on destroying fraudulent PPE stocks.

But yeah. Rachel Reeves embellished her CV and Kier starmer got a free pair of glasses. That's more important than the 8 billions of tax payer money that went directly to the Tory mates pockets.

And that's not including the 40 odd billion given to Tory donors on a never seen track and trace app.

It's definitely the same level of corruption.
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So the person currently in charge of the entire economy might have lied about her experience of being an economist and the fact she almost got the sack twice at HBOS for fiddling expenses claims and lying about absences? But that's fine because what about the tories?
 
Kompakted said:
So the person currently in charge of the entire economy might have lied about her experience of being an economist and the fact she almost got the sack twice at HBOS for fiddling expenses claims and lying about absences? But that's fine because what about the tories?
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She is a serious economist. I might not agree with her on what she has done. I think she should have taxed the richest more. But her credentials are fine.

Johnson lied for a living. The right wing press lauded him. I'm not going to take their hit pieces seriously over her.
 
Kompakted said:
So the person currently in charge of the entire economy might have lied about her experience of being an economist and the fact she almost got the sack twice at HBOS for fiddling expenses claims and lying about absences? But that's fine because what about the tories?
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I think he responding to your last sentence ie the one where YOU brought up a comparison with the Tories.
 
So the left wing papers like the Guardian, the blithering idiots that they are. Are attacking farmers now, claiming that have hoarded land for far too long...

Well, yes... What else are they going to grow food in? Concrete? Imaginary sky land?

What is even worse, is the left crying tax dodgers... The problem is, the only people that can afford to buy the land will be big companies that will farm the land in the interests of profits and lining the pockets of investors, and tax dodge as much as they can.

Clarkson has said it is fine to go after the likes of him and the government should have been more nuanced in their approach and not hit everyone.

This Labour Party are a bunch of clowns.

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Batspur said:
She is a serious economist. I might not agree with her on what she has done. I think she should have taxed the richest more. But her credentials are fine.

Johnson lied for a living. The right wing press lauded him. I'm not going to take their hit pieces seriously over her.
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Is she a serious economist though and are her credentials fine? That's actually the whole point isn't it. You're taking her credentials as read when actually her credentials for what is probably the most significant job in government in terms of direct and immediate impact on people's lives - are being questioned. And they're not being questioned by tory rags, the initial accusations have come from a senior and highly respected director of HBOS who Reeves ultimately lined into during her time there. Unfortunately for Reeves this guy appears to have retired and therefore been able to speak freely and she's subsequently been editing her own experience on her LinkedIn profile, already removing the reference to being an economist at HBOS.

This story is starting to pick up momentum in the mainstream press now and The Times has done some analysis of her Linked In profile and some digging and her role at the Bank of England is being questioned. For example she recently did a piece claiming she worked as an economist at the Bank of England for a decade. But her LinkedIn profile only lists 6 years at the Bank and most of those are junior analyst roles and 1 year year was listed as a period of study leave to undertake her qualifications. Implying that she wasn't a qualified economist at the Bank, but was undertaking junior analytics roles while completing her qualifications. She then left to take up what turns out to be a retail complaints role for HBOS which would not have required any formal qualifications and given the allegations about the circumstances of leaving HBOS do make you wonder.....she took up political roles for the Labour Party directly afterwards.....

Does that sound like a "serious" economist whose credentials aren't in doubt to you?
 
Kompakted said:
Is she a serious economist though and are her credentials fine? That's actually the whole point isn't it. You're taking her credentials as read when actually her credentials for what is probably the most significant job in government in terms of direct and immediate impact on people's lives - are being questioned. And they're not being questioned by tory rags, the initial accusations have come from a senior and highly respected director of HBOS who Reeves ultimately lined into during her time there. Unfortunately for Reeves this guy appears to have retired and therefore been able to speak freely and she's subsequently been editing her own experience on her LinkedIn profile, already removing the reference to being an economist at HBOS.

This story is starting to pick up momentum in the mainstream press now and The Times has done some analysis of her Linked In profile and some digging and her role at the Bank of England is being questioned. For example she recently did a piece claiming she worked as an economist at the Bank of England for a decade. But her LinkedIn profile only lists 6 years at the Bank and most of those are junior analyst roles and 1 year year was listed as a period of study leave to undertake her qualifications. Implying that she wasn't a qualified economist at the Bank, but was undertaking junior analytics roles while completing her qualifications. She then left to take up what turns out to be a retail complaints role for HBOS which would not have required any formal qualifications and given the allegations about the circumstances of leaving HBOS do make you wonder.....she took up political roles for the Labour Party directly afterwards.....

Does that sound like a "serious" economist whose credentials aren't in doubt to you?
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Given that the last two occupants of the role were Jeremy Hunt and Kwasi Kwarteng I think we’re safe in viewing her as a step up.
 
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