ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Why? So you could pay your minions even less...so more in your pocket?
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
....and Eustice who started his political career as a member of Ukip
Sniffing around for the reasons for sticky inflation...it stands to reason if you don't have seasonal pickers you'll almost certainly be paying a higher wage for someone else to pick it, and try and pass on that increased input cost. Furthermore if you haven't got the labour to pick everything, you'll sell what you can pick at a higher price to try and make ends meet.
Not to mention the food wastage of non picked/harvested food. (Add that to the rotting in lorries perishable food at the ports)
I'm sure the seasonal pickers arrangement suited everyone, much like the Brits who would swan off for bar and club work in the summer or ski resorts in the winter.
The problem got created when rising student loans took university students out of the market. Workers from the eastern bloc expansion started coming from the mid-2000s to fill that gap. You could quickly fill the gap by cutting loans, so students had to return to the concept of summer jobs. But late capitalism doesn't really work unless the masses are crippled with debt as much as possible.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
It's a preposterous concept like the way the current lot in charge view human rights as an inconvenience to bypass / preposterous concept.
Don't feed the edgelord!!
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
....and Eustice who started his political career as a member of Ukip
Sniffing around for the reasons for sticky inflation...it stands to reason if you don't have seasonal pickers you'll almost certainly be paying a higher wage for someone else to pick it, and try and pass on that increased input cost. Furthermore if you haven't got the labour to pick everything, you'll sell what you can pick at a higher price to try and make ends meet.
Not to mention the food wastage of non picked/harvested food. (Add that to the rotting in lorries perishable food at the ports)
I'm sure the seasonal pickers arrangement suited everyone, much like the Brits who would swan off for bar and club work in the summer or ski resorts in the winter.
Totally.
Just funny when the idiots that sold this crap to us, realise their mistake. But instead of being big enough to admit it, they start to self-erode their former arguments in a twisted attempt to square the circle!
We had the benefit of free trade to help our businesses, plus had flexible labour that was happy to take a coach in from Eastern Europe to pick fruit for the summer and return home. And these mugs like Eustice hated it. Now they want it back! Primarily to cover their arse.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
We could. However it is a lever that was created in response to capitalism not setting wages at a sensible level.
There shouldn't be a need for a minimum wage - but there is, and you only have yourselves to blame
And reduce prices to customers too. Everyone wins.
There isn't a need for a minimum wage. People are paid what they're worth as long as govts stop interfering with the markets.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Not in the real world, only yours.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
If the markets are working there would be no need to reduce prices. Currency is nothing more than a concept.
If the markets are working as they should, minimum wage should be irrelevant too - it should be nothing more than a dot on a graph and have no real world impact.
If the markets are working......
Markets can't work when the govt has their thumb on the scales.
They worked perfectly well until Blair tried to use our money to buy cheap votes. Good in the short term for those at the bottom end of the pay scale, terrible for the economy long term. Not that it mattered to him, the votes he was buying were those least able to comprehend the complexities of the economy.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
So the minimum wage act invoked in 1998 ruined the economy....righty ho.
Actually the minimum wage at that point was reasonably sensible. Unnecessary but sensible. It was just a way of claiming to still be representing lower socio-economic groups without actually doing anything.
It's the constant increases that have done the damage.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
Governments have always got their thumbs on the scales. You just claim it to be 'free' when the scales are slid in the direction you prefer.
There is no free market in reality, it is almost a religious belief in a non-entity, always someone somewhere influencing it, government, central banks, trade unions, OPEC and various non-governmental shadow organisations.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
It’s literally a religion. The way people defend it is like religious zealots saying their Flying Spaghetti Monster is better than everyone else’s.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
The markets are working exactly as designed. That is why the levels of inequality are approaching those last seen in the guilded age.
You've created quite a good list of things that need removing (or at least serious curtailing) to fix the economy.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
That bottom bullet point
They are not really living in the real world are they
They are not really living in the real world are they
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
which works when the workforce is allowed to remove/restrict their work through collective action to ensure they get a deal that suits them. If you restrict that... well... that's also not free market then is it? the govt is interfering in the markets as you say... works both ways.