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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

BBC:

Finally, though, EU consensus was reached.

Theresa May was informed and didn't object (not that she had much choice - she asked for and needs an extension).

The EU plan was a clever one, essentially putting all Brexit options back on the table - deal, no deal, no Brexit or a longer extension which would allow the UK to take a different path if it so chooses - whether a general election, a second referendum or opting for a softer Brexit.

And by taking away the conditionality from the short extension - if you remember, Brussels originally said the prime minister could only have a short extension if parliament approved the Brexit deal next week - EU leaders removed a reason some Eurosceptic MPs said they wouldn't vote for Theresa May's Brexit deal: because the EU told them they had to.

The 12 April date also allows (just) enough time, if the Brexit deal fails to pass again next week, for Mrs May to consider what next - whether to hold the promised indicative votes for MPs to signal their preferred alternative way forward or to allow parliament to take control of events.

Once again, the drama now moves from Brussels back to Westminster.

EU leaders are well aware a no-deal Brexit hasn't been averted indefinitely. But they've got themselves a bit of a breather.



So yeah, Im a little confused with what the hell is going on now!
 
I think May's only option now is to confirm she will resign on 23 May. That would probably get the deal through, as the Brexiteers know the membership will elect a leaver to manage the next stage.
 
  1. Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account @bbclaurak 1h1 hour ago
    1. What’s govt going to do with this breathing space ? Have another go at getting deal through in next few days but expectation of getting it through is very low

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  2. So dilemma being talked about in govt is whether to lead a new process in Parliament to find what is odds on a softer Brexit which much of tory party will hate

  3. Or do they have process forced on them by Benn/Letwin/Cooper/boles - govt doesn’t think they can hold off another attempt from them to take control with series of try before you buy indiciative votes

  4. There is v real Q over whether PM could or would preside over process that leads to softer Brexit - do not underestimate how restive the Tory party is

5. Senior minister suggests next week could be ‘fresh start’ , Altho that sounds ‘ludicrous’ (bangs head on table) - but this is immediate choice for PM if deal fails - budge or be budged




'Open up this process'


Theresa May needs to "open up" the Brexit process, Labour MP Hilary Benn has said.

Mr Benn, who sits on the Commons Brexit select committee, has tabled a cross-party amendment for Monday that he said was "trying to give Parliament the opportunity to chart an alternative way forward”.

“The significance of last night is we have avoided the serious risk of a no-deal Brexit in a week’s time, but there is still a serious risk in three week’s time, so this is not long for us to try and find a way forward."

The cross-party amendment “in effect, it sets aside time on Wednesday next week when motions can be selected by the Speaker, amendments can be put down and we can try to identify what is a way forward that colleagues across the House might be prepared to support," he said.

“There is a relatively limited range of options - you can have a free-trade agreement like Canada; you can have a customs union; you can have a deal like Norway.”

He said Brexit would not be resolved "if the prime minister is not prepared to move an inch".

"I’m afraid that is the story of the last two and three-quarter years," he said.

“We need to open up this process because we’ve rejected her deal, we’ve rejected no deal, the EU has decided to give us a little bit more time and we’ve really got to get on with it."

Mr Benn said he would “cheerfully” support another Brexit referendum, although he said he didn't think there was a majority in the House of Commons to support the proposal yet.

“We still don’t know in truth what Brexit means, but we have a much clearer idea about the real choices facing us today rather than the fantasies," Mr Benn added.


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nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Im sorry, but for me thats just not right.

We have a structure of leadership, and in politics, for a reason.

We cant just toss it out because people thinks it suits them.





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Even when that leader is not only clearly failing but repeatedly failing with the same plan?
Was it Einstein that said madness is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results?
 
glasgowspur said:
Even when that leader is not only clearly failing but repeatedly failing with the same plan?
Was it Einstein that said madness is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results?
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There are processes in place to deal with such things. We shouldnt bin them all off and start going in independent directions.

It isnt one of those "ends justify the means" things, its our democracy.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Shes trying, and the house is pushing back - all playing in the same sandbox.

Its not like she has just gone off and signed off the deal regardless is it?
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But she keeps bringing the same deal back... Trying to blackmail, bribe, scare and frustrate the house in to submitting to her stupid will. Blaming the MPs of not suggesting another way at the same time curtailing their ability to do so by blocking indicative votes. Ignoring votes that have passed (long extension). Trying to hide legal advice (on her deal). Placing NDAs (over a hundred I believe) on institutions no deal Brexit preparions, thus keeping the public in the dark.

You know where I stand on this I said Brexit will be a sh it show and you were saying to me no, we will negotiate a good deal.

But you may also remember I said that in normal circumstances I would probably want a Tory government to negotiate such an important deal (as they would have the economy front and center of any plans). But this is not normal circumstances this Tory government is a complete and utter joke. And May is the fudging worst of the bunch. And that is from someone who once thought she was doing her best in a bad situation. Her intransigence is reaching AVB levels. fudge May fudge AVB
 
All within the rules of the house. Just as the house is doing what it can to frustrate her and exert their will (and could have done more).

Its our democracy. I dont see it as negotiable to just bin off all that and go rogue.

I never once said "We WILL negotiate a good deal". Not once. Im pretty sure I said as much as you in that I have no faith in our politicians (of any side) to be up to the task. What I always said, and maintain, was that we COULD negotiate a good deal. We have plenty of clout if we knew how to use it.

And heres the thing - as bad as the Tories are (and they are, Im not arguing) - what have Labour done against such poor opponents? Next to nothing. Which speaks volumes of them too. We have literally no talent in our main parties at all.
 
DTA said:
But she keeps bringing the same deal back... Trying to blackmail, bribe, scare and frustrate the house in to submitting to her stupid will. Blaming the MPs of not suggesting another way at the same time curtailing their ability to do so by blocking indicative votes. Ignoring votes that have passed (long extension). Trying to hide legal advice (on her deal). Placing NDAs (over a hundred I believe) on institutions no deal Brexit preparions, thus keeping the public in the dark.

You know where I stand on this I said Brexit will be a sh it show and you were saying to me no, we will negotiate a good deal.

But you may also remember I said that in normal circumstances I would probably want a Tory government to negotiate such an important deal (as they would have the economy front and center of any plans). But this is not normal circumstances this Tory government is a complete and utter joke. And May is the fudging worst of the bunch. And that is from someone who once thought she was doing her best in a bad situation. Her intransigence is reaching AVB levels. fudge May fudge AVB
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Pretty much sums it up for me as well, other than I'm not that concerned about the outcome (or rather wasn't).
But she has royally screwed this up.
 
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glasgowspur said:
Pretty much sums it up for me as well, other than I'm not that concerned about the outcome (or rather wasn't).
But she has royally screwed this up.
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I am not defending May, lets be clear.

I am defending the structures we have in place. Or, at least, raising concern about an unelected party leader taking it upon himself to go meddling round Europe. He represents his party, not the country. And in doing so he is undermining the countries leader (even if she is brick).

That just doesnt feel right to me at all.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
All within the rules of the house. Just as the house is doing what it can to frustrate her and exert their will (and could have done more).

Its our democracy. I dont see it as negotiable to just bin off all that and go rogue.

I never once said "We WILL negotiate a good deal". Not once. Im pretty sure I said as much as you in that I have no faith in our politicians (of any side) to be up to the task. What I always said, and maintain, was that we COULD negotiate a good deal. We have plenty of clout if we knew how to use it.

And heres the thing - as bad as the Tories are (and they are, Im not arguing) - what have Labour done against such poor opponents? Next to nothing. Which speaks volumes of them too. We have literally no talent in our main parties at all.
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I'm not sure that's true (but I'm not an expert). Hasn't the speaker stepped in many times as she was trying to circumvent the rules of the house? One example I believe is her trying to prevent legal advice on her deal.
 
DTA said:
I'm not sure that's true (but I'm not an expert). Hasn't the speaker stepped in many times as she was trying to circumvent the rules of the house? One example I believe is her trying to prevent legal advice on her deal.
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Evidence of the system working as intended, and why we shouldnt fudge with it.
 
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