It's about Brexit because plenty of MPs are voting against the wishes of those who elected them.
After an election I'd expect the Conservatives to have a small but workable majority.
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After an election I'd expect the Conservatives to have a small but workable majority.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Would effectively be referendum 2.0 imo, with either side campaigning on a leave/remain basis.
Winner takes all
Winner takes all
Dicko
Paul Stalteri
So have Labour wanted to remain all this time but just kept quiet in order to watch the Tories implode or have they just seen Remain as a way in to Govt in recent weeks?
If they come out and say vote for us and let's forget Brexit ever happened won't they have the same problem we have now with a huge no. of voters that believe we have to leave because of.. 'democracy'?
Conservatives all focusing on the constitutionality of the bill and the hobbit allowing them to introduce it.
Sounds to me as if they're laying the (fairly solid) groundwork for HM to refuse royal assent.
Sounds to me as if they're laying the (fairly solid) groundwork for HM to refuse royal assent.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Basically yes.
Corbyn wants out, Labour are pro remain. Corbyn wants the PM job more than Brexit though so will campaign properly this time round.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Don't forget though that Labour have a fair handful of leave MP's, and more than a handful of leave voters...
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
So it sounds as if Farage is saying he'll cooperate with Boris over an election only on condition that the WA gets binned. 'No deal' or 'new deal', by the sounds of it.
Yet Boris has pegged everything on leaving on 31st October. There clearly isn't any 'new deal' getting done on that turnaround. A tweak to the WA, possibly, which it seemed was what Boris was aiming for, but Farage is apparently saying he won't have that.
BJ surely can't credibly campaign on getting a new deal and still leaving in October, and surely won't openly campaign on no deal alone. So how does that circle get squared?
Yet Boris has pegged everything on leaving on 31st October. There clearly isn't any 'new deal' getting done on that turnaround. A tweak to the WA, possibly, which it seemed was what Boris was aiming for, but Farage is apparently saying he won't have that.
BJ surely can't credibly campaign on getting a new deal and still leaving in October, and surely won't openly campaign on no deal alone. So how does that circle get squared?
Funny how perspective works. My lasting impression was that Ken Clarke barely kept his shirt dribble free and struggled at that.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
You are right. That is hilarious.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Nicked from the guardian comments. Is it feasible?
Step 1 done. Now:
2. Win the vote tomorrow
3. Reject Johnson's bid for an election
4. Call a vote of no confidence
5. Form a new Government
6. Postpone Brexit
7. Negotiate a Brexit deal with the EU
8. Put it to the people, with remain as an option.
Brexit sorted by March. Then 9. call an election.
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Step 1 done. Now:
2. Win the vote tomorrow
3. Reject Johnson's bid for an election
4. Call a vote of no confidence
5. Form a new Government
6. Postpone Brexit
7. Negotiate a Brexit deal with the EU
8. Put it to the people, with remain as an option.
Brexit sorted by March. Then 9. call an election.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Labour only have 247 MPs out of 650. A good 20-30 of them are brexiteers. There's no way they could govern
Still won't work because Corbyn.
There may be some rebels willing to vote against the government but they've all been very clear they won't vote for Corbyn as PM. He'll need to step down and the party will have to appoint a moderate before they can win a VONC.
Corbyn knows his only chance of power comes via a GE, which is why he's at odds with his own party over whether to man up to the challenge or tuck it in and hide behind Diane Abbott again.
Also, 7 can't happen if 2 happens.
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What a terrible speech from Johnson yesterday, I used to think he was a fairly decent public speaker but he got torn apart - no clear answers to basic questions that he knew would be asked and stuttering away made it look even worse. His speech the day before outside no 10 was equally as bad. Didn't sound like he believed anything he was saying at all.
I don't think it's a strong strategy to be so aggressive e.g. things like Cummings demanding the aide's phone then sacking her on the spot and getting police to march her out are just wrong and the pubic really don't like that sort of thing.
I don't see how Corbyn can refuse an election, if he wants to put it back to the people then surely an election before the EU summit is the perfect opportunity then whoever wins will have the backing of the people (FPTP aside) and would get to determine the outcome plus it's all he's wanted for the last few years.
I don't think it's a strong strategy to be so aggressive e.g. things like Cummings demanding the aide's phone then sacking her on the spot and getting police to march her out are just wrong and the pubic really don't like that sort of thing.
I don't see how Corbyn can refuse an election, if he wants to put it back to the people then surely an election before the EU summit is the perfect opportunity then whoever wins will have the backing of the people (FPTP aside) and would get to determine the outcome plus it's all he's wanted for the last few years.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Surely Labour can't backtrack on a GE now? They've been using wanting one as their excuse for wavering over everything else for months.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
They could, I certainly woudnt put it past them, and a vote of no confidence gets Corbyn his dream job...
But then what? We just flip the coin and end up with a minority government still.
A GE makes most sense, in so much as it will be referendum 2.0. The parties will have to actually state a position, and the people will decide.
I would imagine Labour to be pro remain, expecting that to be the popular choice - but who knows? Maybe Corbyn will pull rank and try for his nonsense customs union option, so he can still (sort of) Brexit and then look to make his other manifesto pledges happen.
Lib Dems will of course be straight up remain, no BINO.
Cons would most likely take a leave position, pretty much as they are now. Ideally with a deal but with no deal if necessary.
If this were the case, I wonder if the Lib Dems would split the Labour vote?
StephenH
David Ginola
Why not?
They will just use 'no deal' as an excuse/strategy to pick the best time for them.