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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

LutonSpurs said:
You explain Jimmy Saville to me first. Ta.
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He was a disgusting rapist protected by a corrupt organisation (BBC) which should be disbanded.

The police should also come into heavy criticism for failure to act on numerous reports of rape and abuse.

The will always sadly be rapists on every country. Does not mean we should import more. Import cars and foods not rapists.

What is more alarming to me is having a religion in this country which is founded on its prophet having sex with a 9 year old and marrying her at 13.

Savile was an evil piece of brick, not heard anyone say differently. Heard a lot in the media about what we can do to stop it happening again and blaming police and social workers etc for failings.

Not quite the gotcha moment you were hoping for hey lad.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
He was a disgusting rapist protected by a corrupt organisation (BBC) which should be disbanded.

The police should also come into heavy criticism for failure to act on numerous reports of rape and abuse.

The will always sadly be rapists on every country. Does not mean we should import more. Import cars and foods not rapists.

What is more alarming to me is having a religion in this country which is founded on its prophet having sex with a 9 year old and marrying her at 13.

Savile was an evil piece of brick, not heard anyone say differently. Heard a lot in the media about what we can do to stop it happening again and blaming police and social workers etc for failings.

Not quite the gotcha moment you were hoping for hey lad.
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But he is indigenous English and home grown. You don't seem bothered by those nonces.

And the fact you felt you had to condemn him at my asking is what makes you a wally. And I hadn't assumed you approved of his actions regardless of you sharing a culture and pigmentation.
 
LutonSpurs said:
But he is indigenous English and home grown. You don't seem bothered by those nonces.

And the fact you felt you had to condemn him at my asking is what makes you a wally. And I hadn't assumed you approved of his actions regardless of you sharing a culture and pigmentation.
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I am absolutely bothered by those ones. Strange assumptions you make that I would not be bothered by the ones born here. I condemned him at the time not at you're asking, partly due to my disdain for the BBC.

Yet another post by you and yet another insult, Wally is a demeaning term used as an insult, might be a pg version of an insult but an insult none the less. Weird debating style you have to put an insult in every post. Almost like you are trying to bait or maybe you can not debate with people reasonably as your argument has so many holes in it.

I see so many people say what about home grown rapists as if it is the reason we should allow more into the country or accept that the is a religion in this country who a lot of its followers have a lack of respect for women which makes them less safe.

We should not be allowing more into the country. We have a problem with our own. But now we have a home secretary who says the most important part of her life is being a Muslim, a religion that absolutely has a problem with the treatment of women.

The new initiatives to try and combat the problem of sexual assaults and rapes while worthy does not focus on the biggest issue, but then Labour can not risk losing votes can it.

You share a culture with a lot of these people but will not condone them or ever criticise them. It now goes far beyond just sticking up for people with similar heritage and leaves me quite concerned.

Still no comment on the video about the best way to stone a woman to death, you have commented on every other post but not that one. That was in a UK mosque as well by the way. People go to prison for what they write but not what they say it would seem.

Feel free to respond I enjoy a debate but would ask you to refrain from childish insults. I believe you to be a university educated professional so it should not be difficult for you.
 
Rafa87 said:
I think some people could really do with going outside… breathe some air, touch some grass, climb out of a bubble.

Honestly, it’s healthy.
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Why so?

I have been outside for about 5 hours today, it was bracing.

Can I ask what you were expecting to see on a message board. I visit 6 different ones spending no more then an hour a day in total on them. But one thing I expect to see is posts that people have written, I assumed that was the point of them.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I see so many people say what about home grown rapists as if it is the reason we should allow more into the country or accept that the is a religion in this country who a lot of its followers have a lack of respect for women which makes them less safe.
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No its to highlight that there are horrible cnuts in all cultures, religions and communities and we should acknowledge it as such rather than this idea that all immigrants, especially Muslims are some kind of virus to society.

Thats the point
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Why so?

I have been outside for about 5 hours today, it was bracing.

Can I ask what you were expecting to see on a message board. I visit 6 different ones spending no more then an hour a day in total on them. But one thing I expect to see is posts that people have written, I assumed that was the point of them.
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Honestly? To me you come across as genuinely unwell.

Reading your posts you come across as someone deeply entrenched in the internet and an algorithm. It’s great to have an interest in politics, world affairs and whatever else you choose. I know exactly what a forum is, I come here albeit mostly for spurs, but enjoy reading some general stuff too. I read stuff by Scaramanga, Gazza, Luton and anyone else that posts on this thread, I don’t agree with absolutely everything they all write (which would be tricky as they often disagree with each other) but I can see and understand the points they’re making and regardless of what they write, I appreciate being made to think. What doesn’t make me think is someone who has to constantly tell everyone else they’ve been brainwashed and that they have seen the light and see things no one else does like they’ve had a cult based epiphany.

Your constant rants about “all you people” and “the left” comes across as somewhere between ‘man shouts at cloud’ and ‘just genuinely unwell’. It’s actually concerning to read at times. I don’t know you, I’ve never met you, but to me you come across as either deeply troubled or actually quite unhappy in yourself, and I think your friends at Advance know exactly what they’re doing inviting you in.

I know you will argue this, and if I’m wrong so be it, I don’t really wish to get involved in an extended back and forth with you but just friendly advice, from one Spurs fan to another, I think you should talk to someone, and if you already are, talk more often.
 
Rafa87 said:
Honestly? To me you come across as genuinely unwell.

Reading your posts you come across as someone deeply entrenched in the internet and an algorithm. It’s great to have an interest in politics, world affairs and whatever else you choose. I know exactly what a forum is, I come here albeit mostly for spurs, but enjoy reading some general stuff too. I read stuff by Scaramanga, Gazza, Luton and anyone else that posts on this thread, I don’t agree with absolutely everything they all write (which would be tricky as they often disagree with each other) but I can see and understand the points they’re making and regardless of what they write, I appreciate being made to think. What doesn’t make me think is someone who has to constantly tell everyone else they’ve been brainwashed and that they have seen the light and see things no one else does like they’ve had a cult based epiphany.

Your constant rants about “all you people” and “the left” comes across as somewhere between ‘man shouts at cloud’ and ‘just genuinely unwell’. It’s actually concerning to read at times. I don’t know you, I’ve never met you, but to me you come across as either deeply troubled or actually quite unhappy in yourself, and I think your friends at Advance know exactly what they’re doing inviting you in.

I know you will argue this, and if I’m wrong so be it, I don’t really wish to get involved in an extended back and forth with you but just friendly advice, from one Spurs fan to another, I think you should talk to someone, and if you already are, talk more often.
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Because I have a difference of opinion I'm unwell?

Someone debating on a forum is strange really.? I am putting up links and videos and no one is responding on those as well they can't really as it's so obvious it's against their "side" Instead I get personal attacks and insults particularly from Luton, nothing will be said about that though.

The are far more passionate people in advance then me, professional educated people who think the country has gone to the dogs.

I do have a long term health condition but my consultant is happy with it. Thanks for the concern even if it is a passive aggressive insincere one.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Because I have a difference of opinion I'm unwell?

Someone debating on a forum is strange really.? I am putting up links and videos and no one is responding on those as well they can't really as it's so obvious it's against their "side" Instead I get personal attacks and insults particularly from Luton, nothing will be said about that though.

The are far more passionate people in advance then me, professional educated people who think the country has gone to the dogs.

I do have a long term health condition but my consultant is happy with it. Thanks for the concern even if it is a passive aggressive insincere one.
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Exactly why I didn’t want a long term back and forth. It isn’t insincere nor passive aggressive, it’s genuinely how you come across to me.

The people not commenting on your videos, it isn’t because of ‘sides’.

You carry on, I’ll leave you to it, you seem more than capable at covering both sides of the conversation you wish to have anyway.
 
Rafa87 said:
Exactly why I didn’t want a long term back and forth. It isn’t insincere nor passive aggressive, it’s genuinely how you come across to me.

The people not commenting on your videos, it isn’t because of ‘sides’.

You carry on, I’ll leave you to it, you seem more than capable at covering both sides of the conversation you wish to have anyway.
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The is a reason you don't want a long back and forth is because you don't have anything to back up your view.

You don't want to reply because the is no answer particularly to that video that does not undermine your argument. The only thing left is to claim someone is unwell and try to shame the person into silence.

The gathering storm, we didn't learn from history and are doomed to repeat it. You far left liberals can't face up to what you have done to the country.

No wonder the government want to control social media, can't have the truth get out.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The is a reason you don't want a long back and forth is because you don't have anything to back up your view.

You don't want to reply because the is no answer particularly to that video that does not undermine your argument. The only thing left is to claim someone is unwell and try to shame the person into silence.

The gathering storm, we didn't learn from history and are doomed to repeat it. You far left liberals can't face up to what you have done to the country.

No wonder the government want to control social media, can't have the truth get out.
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I came to the conclusion long ago that you aren’t interested in other view points, you’re one of those people that wants to talk loudly, and constantly about being silenced. What you don’t grasp is that you aren’t being silenced it’s just that most people stopped listening to you.

For what it’s worth, I haven’t watched your video, but if someone is promoting violence or stoning people then fudge that person, it shouldn’t happen. People don’t see it though because they have to pick through all your “us and them” waffle.

I lose interest with all your “you far left liberals” most of the people probably aren’t even what you clearly wish they are, they probably agree with a bit of left, a bit of right, a bit of centre and whatever makes sense to them. People like you though want to make everything us and them, and call people brainwashed. You want to talk about how you’re censored and not allowed to speak whilst doing exactly that on a public forum, it’s always the same.

As I said, my concern for your mindset was actually genuine based on how you come across. But fudge it, you do you. I’m switching the attention off now, so feel free to pop me on ignore, it’ll make your echo chamber louder.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The is a reason you don't want a long back and forth is because you don't have anything to back up your view.

You don't want to reply because the is no answer particularly to that video that does not undermine your argument. The only thing left is to claim someone is unwell and try to shame the person into silence.

The gathering storm, we didn't learn from history and are doomed to repeat it. You far left liberals can't face up to what you have done to the country.

No wonder the government want to control social media, can't have the truth get out.
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I think you have been silly here and not accepted whats come over as a fairly sincere concern.

Maybe take a breath mate, sometimes we all need it
 
Rafa87 said:
Exactly why I didn’t want a long term back and forth. It isn’t insincere nor passive aggressive, it’s genuinely how you come across to me.

The people not commenting on your videos, it isn’t because of ‘sides’.

You carry on, I’ll leave you to it, you seem more than capable at covering both sides of the conversation you wish to have anyway.
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He's heard these words used against him and attempted to assimilate the language into his debate style seemingly with the help of chat gpt without really understanding them..

Whilst you're right on the unwell point, from experience, the last person to consider / admit if they are mentally unwell is the person in question. Hopefully they'll find a way back to some kind of peace or positivity but for now it's like engaging with someone you find yelling at pigeons or traffic on a Tuesday afternoon...As you say, not really worth engaging with.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Many of us leftists are not silent on Iran. However I agree way too many are. Iran and Saudi and UAE. Not just Iran.

"The right is silent on rich nonces" would be an article I'd find equally problematic btw.
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The right aren't marching through parliament every week, defending the likes of those countries. It's perfectly ok to be silent on everything, protesting against Jews and then being silent on Iran is, at best, hypocritical.
 
scaramanga said:
That's right, Iran are the good guys 🤣

A perfect example of what that article is talking about.
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There's a big difference in gravity between being authoritarian and committing genocide.

Should we sanction and isolate authoritarian countries like America, Russia and Iran - yes

Should we send our troops in to stop a genocide like Israel - yes
 
Gutter Boy said:
There's a big difference in gravity between being authoritarian and committing genocide.

Should we sanction and isolate authoritarian countries like America, Russia and Iran - yes

Should we send our troops in to stop a genocide like Israel - yes
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Israel hasn't even attacked a country. Who would the troops go and defend?

As per the article. Anything goes as long as it fudges the Jews.
 
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