Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

Call it faux outrage. I think one of the countries oldest institutions covering historical architecture in a celebration of vandalism, gang territory marking and "couldn't give a f*ck" attitude is just further evidence for many people of everything in this place being driven to the dogs. I agree with him.

Or its an out dated institution that is celebrating art and youth culture in a bid to attract a new audience.
Its also a perfectly explained exhibition which will be removed



As I say, loads more to be shocked about in the Church if you really care enough to turn up outside hotels and mosques to call outrage on sexual violence, but I suppose we ain't doing that to all, like more hypocrites in those ranks

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Or its an out dated institution that is celebrating art and youth culture in a bid to attract a new audience.
Its also a perfectly explained exhibition which will be removed

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As I say, loads more to be shocked about in the Church if you really care enough to turn up outside hotels and mosques to call outrage on sexual violence, but I suppose we ain't doing that to all, like more hypocrites in those ranks

You can argue the whys and wherefores all you like. I think that there is a growing feeling whether right or wrong that somewhere along the line, the leaders and institutions of this country decided it was a good idea to advance the interests of minorities, over the interests of the majority, including at times trampling over or dismissing their feelings. Whether its "we can't call it Christmas, it has to be a winter festival", whether its "you can't wear a union jack dress or give a talk about British culture at school", whether its "sticking graffiti over our cathedrals to celebrate minorities", whether its "your children all have to eat halal meat for their school dinners or pick a veggy option", whether its "new police officer spaces are only open to ethnic minorities this year", people are increasingly sick and tired of it...

 

[Grays_1890]

You can argue the whys and wherefores all you like. I think that there is a growing feeling whether right or wrong that somewhere along the line, the leaders and institutions of this country decided it was a good idea to advance the interests of minorities, over the interests of the majority, including at times trampling over or dismissing their feelings. Whether its "we can't call it Christmas, it has to be a winter festival", whether its "you can't wear a union jack dress or give a talk about British culture at school", whether its "sticking graffiti over our cathedrals to celebrate minorities", whether its "your children all have to eat halal meat for their school dinners or pick a veggy option", whether its "new police officer spaces are only open to ethnic minorities this year", people are increasingly sick and tired of it...

People who have had it good for so long feel upset because people that are constantly ignored or punched down on are now given opportunities or made to feel like they belong, the same people who are upset are still massively the winners in society and can still partake in everything with the majority of focus being on them. The idea its at the expensive of the majority is just a downright lie. If you are in the majority in the country and can't take advantage of the situations presented to you then there is something wrong about your drive, frankly.

I know the ones who should be more increasingly sick about it and its not the ones you mention.

People are just so hateful because of change that becomes more inclusive of others, thats rather telling about people IMO, including yourself I am sorry to say

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

People who have had it good for so long feel upset because people that are constantly ignored or punched down on are now given opportunities or made to feel like they belong, the same people who are upset are still massively the winners in society and can still partake in everything with the majority of focus being on them. The idea its at the expensive of the majority is just a downright lie. If you are in the majority in the country and can't take advantage of the situations presented to you then there is something wrong about your drive, frankly.

I know the ones who should be more increasingly sick about it and its not the ones you mention.

People are just so hateful because of change that becomes more inclusive of others, thats rather telling about people IMO, including yourself I am sorry to say

As i said, you can you argue the rights and wrongs of it all you like. The growing anger and resentment and the breaking down of mental boundaries (e.g. "if that makes me racist, so be it", "if you want to call me far right, go for it") is the result.

And here's the rub, you can say to me that my thoughts are telling in terms of who i am. They're my thoughts. You believe your view and the way you think is the right way. But it isn't. It is just your way. And civilised society is fundamentally about people living together in a broad concensus (there'll always be differences at a person to person level).

That concensus is fracturing in this country in my opinion.

 

[Grays_1890]

As i said, you can you argue the rights and wrongs of it all you like. The growing anger and resentment and the breaking down of mental boundaries (e.g. "if that makes me racist, so be it", "if you want to call me far right, go for it") is the result.

And here's the rub, you can say to me that my thoughts are telling in terms of who i am. They're my thoughts. You believe your view and the way you think is the right way. But it isn't. It is just your way. And civilised society is fundamentally about people living together in a broad concensus (there'll always be differences at a person to person level).

That concensus is fracturing in this country in my opinion.

Because people like that are hateful, unaccepting of change at any level and often show a lack of acceptance about much, including their own kids and the change of dynamic they have bought to their own lives.

But others deserve opportunities to have their narrative changed around them, their cultures and their class structures, if you can't see that there are positives to be had for others that have it tough and have been social outcasts then I can't help think that just comes from an area of deep resentment.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Call it faux outrage. I think one of the countries oldest institutions covering historical architecture in a celebration of vandalism, gang territory marking and "couldn't give a f*ck" attitude is just further evidence for many people of everything in this place being driven to the dogs. I agree with him.

It literally doesn't impact anyone. It makes nobody suffer in reality. Whereas poverty and abuse seem to get relegated. This mindset is way too prevalent and, in my view, entirely blinkered.

 

[Grays_1890]

It literally doesn't impact anyone. It makes nobody suffer in reality. Whereas poverty and abuse seem to get relegated. This mindset is way too prevalent and, in my view, entirely blinkered.

Its literally just an exhibition too which integrates youth culture into the church. Its most def a faux outrage about change because people are living with the Hovis advert music in their head, romanticising a time when people could ban Blacks, Irish and Dogs from the pub and get away with it

I jest but the reality is, thats the past that people are somewhat harking back to, a time when ethnic and class division was even greater but people had less opportunity to fight it and it was widely accepted, till it wasn't. As I say, it says more about people that get upset about some planned graffiti in a church than those who have read the rationale and are ok with it

Fun Fact - Ridley Scott directed the old Hovis adverts

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Because people like that are hateful, unaccepting of change at any level and often show a lack of acceptance about much, including their own kids and the change of dynamic they have bought to their own lives.

But others deserve opportunities to have their narrative changed around them, their cultures and their class structures, if you can't see that there are positives to be had for others that have it tough and have been social outcasts then I can't help think that just comes from an area of deep resentment.

People accept change when they see the change as being for the better.

would people care about stuff like this church exhibition if there wasn't a wider context? Probably less. People are bringing up these things as they see them as microcosms of what's wrong.

Graffiti tags are often marking the terrritory of violent criminal gangs and this sort of stuff covers many of our larger cities, making railway lines and bridges an eyesore. Celebrating it and plastering it all over one of the country's core institutions is distasteful and inappropriate in my view.

 

[LutonSpurs]

People accept change when they see the change as being for the better.

would people care about stuff like this church exhibition if there wasn't a wider context? Probably less. People are bringing up these things as they see them as microcosms of what's wrong.

Graffiti tags are often marking the terrritory of violent criminal gangs and this sort of stuff covers many of our larger cities, making railway lines and bridges an eyesore. Celebrating it and plastering it all over one of the country's core institutions is distasteful and inappropriate in my view.

Graffiti is art. Your issue is you have decided it is something else that it is used for. Art is a broad thing. It is entirely subjective. I find seeing men's penises on the Italian sculptures a bit urghhh. However it's not for me. I don't denounce it though.

I think you have an idea of what your art is. Your issue is you think it matters a flying fuk to people in a Church some where who see it their way.

 

[Grays_1890]

People accept change when they see the change as being for the better.

would people care about stuff like this church exhibition if there wasn't a wider context? Probably less. People are bringing up these things as they see them as microcosms of what's wrong.

Graffiti tags are often marking the terrritory of violent criminal gangs and this sort of stuff covers many of our larger cities, making railway lines and bridges an eyesore. Celebrating it and plastering it all over one of the country's core institutions is distasteful and inappropriate in my view.

And change often better for some, but you and your type don't like the people its better for..........which is the issue

What is this, the 1970s and 1980s, Graffiti is now considered Art, literally changes hands for millions of pounds. And If you can't understand the context of art and the fact that the church are using i about "territory" in their own context then that can't really be helped.

Im not even their audience but it's clear what they are trying to say and achieve.

You and you lot will be on suicide watch when the last Wimpy closes and the bendy Sausage is no more

 

[Lost Mango]

You can argue the whys and wherefores all you like. I think that there is a growing feeling whether right or wrong that somewhere along the line, the leaders and institutions of this country decided it was a good idea to advance the interests of minorities, over the interests of the majority, including at times trampling over or dismissing their feelings. Whether its "we can't call it Christmas, it has to be a winter festival", whether its "you can't wear a union jack dress or give a talk about British culture at school", whether its "sticking graffiti over our cathedrals to celebrate minorities", whether its "your children all have to eat halal meat for their school dinners or pick a veggy option", whether its "new police officer spaces are only open to ethnic minorities this year", people are increasingly sick and tired of it...

Never not been allowed to call Christmas Christmas - Birmingham City Council tried a winter festival thing for one year purely as a change in marketing rather than anything to do with 'woke nonsense' or upsetting anyone and it has become a pointless right-wing talking point ever since. Lots of people say happy holidays etc because they aren't religious but oh no that isn't good enough for the free speech police who have to have people saying what they want to hear.

The graffiti in cathedrals are celebrating what minority exactly? Cathedrals have had music festivals, crazy golf courses, mini fairgrounds, 100 different styles of 'conventional' art shown, but that is all alright I guess as it panders to a certain clientele.

There was the one case where a girl was told her Union Jack dress wasn't appropriate for school culture day and wasn't able to give her speech on british culture. ONE school out of over 4000 secondary schools in the UK.

Ever get the feeling that a lot of these cultural issues are somewhat contrived and over inflated? Perhaps Gary Neville was right that this whiole agenda is being driven by a group of angry, white males with an agenda of their own and not for the benefit of anyone in any UK community.

 

[Grays_1890]

Ever get the feeling that a lot of these cultural issues are somewhat contrived and over inflated? Perhaps Gary Neville was right that this whiole agenda is being driven by a group of angry, white males with an agenda of their own and not for the benefit of anyone in any UK community.

Course he was right, also Angry men who argue for free speech and get upset when people are using it against them...........the irony and hypocrisy is almost daily with this mob.

No one is saying there is not problems in society, but some of it is clearly not a thing and the things they are all complaining about are somewhat missed out when we discuss our own inner society.........Strange that given Adam Brooks impact on sexual violence against women and kids, the problem he has with the Church is graffiti...........funny that

I actually think give the contrast of the ancient set up which is Church and the so called word and workings of GHod, I think its a fairly clever contrast.........You could argue its had the impact that all art should have

 

[Baleforce]

I thought they would be into that, the worlds most successful graffiti artist is a wealthy middle aged white bloke.

 

[Grays_1890]

I thought they would be into that, the worlds most successful graffiti artist is a wealthy middle aged white bloke.

Taxi Drivers of the world unite

 

[Grays_1890]

Graffiti is art. Your issue is you have decided it is something else that it is used for. Art is a broad thing. It is entirely subjective. I find seeing men's penises on the Italian sculptures a bit urghhh. However it's not for me. I don't denounce it though.

I think you have an idea of what your art is. Your issue is you think it matters a flying fuk to people in a Church some where who see it their way.

Imagine the uproar in the renaissance