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Danishfurniturelover said:
Appalling

Having knowledge of the area I can tell you it is less then a couple of miles from Saltdean a well known area of ISIS support from the local Islamist extremists. 2 guys from there were killed fighting for ISIS a few years ago.

With 40,000 Islamists on the terror watchlist we at that this stage can not rule out a false flag operation. But will pass on all local intelligence to the appropriate authorities.

This post comes courtesy of the Facebook run by the truth seekers and is no way intended to be seen as a criticism or praise of any action but just a search for truth whatever form it takes.
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Have you read that yesterday some Asian chap by the name of Arif Ali Rafique trying to burn down a mosque in Northampton.
 
The Jenrick comments are made more hilarious if you watch the interviews he did back when he made the comments. He spoke to 5 people. All 5 were white and English. He lied.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Bit like Whitechapel, my Grandparents moved there and then moved out, when my Grandad got enough money to move out he did, towards Woodford then my Mum met my dad and we ended up in Essex, then those that came after did so because it was affordable. I see alot written about East London, loads of reformer types up in arms about the Bengali/British signs which adorn the area including Brick Lane like its a new thing, when its been like that for the past 25+ years that I have been in and about the area (and I have to say I effing love the area for vibrancy).

Its the same with East London Mosque, been there since the early 1900s where people have integrated in the area, no one will acknowledge that though, doesn't fit narrative.

Next they will be up in arms about China Town
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I hate the word “gentrified” the Bangladeshis in that area are responsible for the famous brick lane. It’s overrated don’t get me wrong but they have contributed to that. Obviously there have been moments when a few years back they tried to start the stupidity of sharia police trying to intimidate anyone drinking alcohol on the street, and harassing the gay community. But that was shut down and condemned very quickly.

For the most part east London was a dive before them and it still is. So nothings really changed.
 
Gazza said:
I hate the word “gentrified” the Bangladeshis in that area are responsible for the famous brick lane. It’s overrated don’t get me wrong but they have contributed to that. Obviously there have been moments when a few years back they tried to start the stupidity of sharia police trying to intimidate anyone drinking alcohol on the street, and harassing the gay community. But that was shut down and condemned very quickly.

For the most part east London was a dive before them and it still is. So nothings really changed.
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Tayyabs is utterly world class, got a works doo booked there for December after a Jack the Ripper pub crawl (people moaning no one does anything they pass every day)

I think there is alot to love about the area, got much more authenticity and a buzz than other areas. Much more prefer an afternoon mooch in that area than pretending to be part of the Notting Hill phalanx
 
I remember going to a friend's house in Hertfordshire. Parked around the corner and walked in to the posh cul-de-sac. Tried ringing my mate but he didn't answer and I couldn't find the house. 2 people came and ask me what I was doing. Not friendly. My mate came out eventually. Now why the heck would I want to live in an area when people get frightened seeing me.

It works both ways.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I remember going to a friend's house in Hertfordshire. Parked around the corner and walked in to the posh cul-de-sac. Tried ringing my mate but he didn't answer and I couldn't find the house. 2 people came and ask me what I was doing. Not friendly. My mate came out eventually. Now why the heck would I want to live in an area when people get frightened seeing me.

It works both ways.
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I didn't know Skip Rat lived in Herts, proper cross the road type
 
The issues with integration are both ways. But it illustrates the utter failure of the idea of multiculturalism. For every person that revels in it there's likely a handful that don't like/want or feel comfortable with it. That's human nature and you can't get around it really. Hence immigration is a numbers game. Too high you will get problems.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The issues with integration are both ways. But it illustrates the utter failure of the idea of multiculturalism. For every person that revels in it there's likely a handful that don't like/want or feel comfortable with it. That's human nature and you can't get around it really. Hence immigration is a numbers game. Too high you will get problems.
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I think in many parts thats an over played narrative based on extremism in religious views rather than cultural views, which happens in all religions BTW.

I grew up in a massively multicultural upbringing amongst Turkish, West Indian, Bangla, Pakistani and as a community it worked well, loads of community activities, loads of integration, many of those people although loyal to their roots seeing themselves as British.

People often don't want to accept that in many places multiculturalism has been a success, but it has and its evident in food, music, art, sport and in many communities around the country
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The issues with integration are both ways. But it illustrates the utter failure of the idea of multiculturalism. For every person that revels in it there's likely a handful that don't like/want or feel comfortable with it. That's human nature and you can't get around it really. Hence immigration is a numbers game. Too high you will get problems.
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So you are saying people don't integrate who are not white. But when white people don't do it it's human nature?
 
LutonSpurs said:
So you are saying people don't integrate who are not white. But when white people don't do it it's human nature?
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I think like proven in certain areas when they changed the narrative, there comes a point where if you continue to put a wedge into society and saying "we can't integrate" then a build up of hostility means it almost becomes a self fulfilled prophesy

It doesn't help when things like Gaza get weaponised and conflated into the UK as "Muslims and Jews hate each other" because I can tell you from many on both sides of the divide that I know, we don't. Its all just so unhelpful
 
The interference in the China case is pretty worrying, real government overstep to interfere with the judiciary. I think we'll hear a lot more about this over the coming days.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think like proven in certain areas when they changed the narrative, there comes a point where if you continue to put a wedge into society and saying "we can't integrate" then a build up of hostility means it almost becomes a self fulfilled prophesy

It doesn't help when things like Gaza get weaponised and conflated into the UK as "Muslims and Jews hate each other" because I can tell you from many on both sides of the divide that I know, we don't. Its all just so unhelpful
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Its being weaponised and so many people fall for it.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Its being weaponised and so many people fall for it.
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Of course it is, you only have to look at the Gaza stuff to see Non Jews and Non Muslims using it to weaponise either side, both of which offering zero middle ground but just a platform to hate more. Its far from helpful for the British Jews and Muslims who just wanna go about their day without having others beef conflated as their own issues, issues that don't exist.
 
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