Gazza
Johnny Morrison
Have you read that yesterday some Asian chap by the name of Arif Ali Rafique trying to burn down a mosque in Northampton.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
The Jenrick comments are made more hilarious if you watch the interviews he did back when he made the comments. He spoke to 5 people. All 5 were white and English. He lied.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
He did. He was a disgruntled ex Muslim full of hate.
Gazza
Johnny Morrison
I hate the word “gentrified” the Bangladeshis in that area are responsible for the famous brick lane. It’s overrated don’t get me wrong but they have contributed to that. Obviously there have been moments when a few years back they tried to start the stupidity of sharia police trying to intimidate anyone drinking alcohol on the street, and harassing the gay community. But that was shut down and condemned very quickly.
For the most part east London was a dive before them and it still is. So nothings really changed.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Who had been sectioned in the past too.
Gazza
Johnny Morrison
Nuts what religion can do to people
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Or lack of.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Tayyabs is utterly world class, got a works doo booked there for December after a Jack the Ripper pub crawl (people moaning no one does anything they pass every day)
I think there is alot to love about the area, got much more authenticity and a buzz than other areas. Much more prefer an afternoon mooch in that area than pretending to be part of the Notting Hill phalanx
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I remember going to a friend's house in Hertfordshire. Parked around the corner and walked in to the posh cul-de-sac. Tried ringing my mate but he didn't answer and I couldn't find the house. 2 people came and ask me what I was doing. Not friendly. My mate came out eventually. Now why the heck would I want to live in an area when people get frightened seeing me.
It works both ways.
It works both ways.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
I didn't know Skip Rat lived in Herts, proper cross the road type
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Hahahaha it's just fear of the unknown. I get it. But when you aren't made to feel welcome then you can't screen integrate without trying it yourself.
Silly McSilly Face
Gudni Bergsson
The issues with integration are both ways. But it illustrates the utter failure of the idea of multiculturalism. For every person that revels in it there's likely a handful that don't like/want or feel comfortable with it. That's human nature and you can't get around it really. Hence immigration is a numbers game. Too high you will get problems.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
I think in many parts thats an over played narrative based on extremism in religious views rather than cultural views, which happens in all religions BTW.
I grew up in a massively multicultural upbringing amongst Turkish, West Indian, Bangla, Pakistani and as a community it worked well, loads of community activities, loads of integration, many of those people although loyal to their roots seeing themselves as British.
People often don't want to accept that in many places multiculturalism has been a success, but it has and its evident in food, music, art, sport and in many communities around the country
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So you are saying people don't integrate who are not white. But when white people don't do it it's human nature?
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
I think like proven in certain areas when they changed the narrative, there comes a point where if you continue to put a wedge into society and saying "we can't integrate" then a build up of hostility means it almost becomes a self fulfilled prophesy
It doesn't help when things like Gaza get weaponised and conflated into the UK as "Muslims and Jews hate each other" because I can tell you from many on both sides of the divide that I know, we don't. Its all just so unhelpful
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Its being weaponised and so many people fall for it.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Of course it is, you only have to look at the Gaza stuff to see Non Jews and Non Muslims using it to weaponise either side, both of which offering zero middle ground but just a platform to hate more. Its far from helpful for the British Jews and Muslims who just wanna go about their day without having others beef conflated as their own issues, issues that don't exist.
Silly McSilly Face
Gudni Bergsson
I said it was both ways. Large numbers of immigrants from the same background clump together. White flight exacerbates the polarisation.
Silly McSilly Face
Gudni Bergsson
As i've said there are people that like it. And people that don't. When everyone that doesnt like it moves out leaving those that like it there enjoying it, that doesnt mean it has worked.
The guy who carried out the attack the other day came here at 16 and became a British citizen. But his name was "Jihad" and his father praised the Hamas on 7th October attacks on social media.
The majority of MI5's and counter terror police work is nothing to do with the IRA, nothing to do with state actors like Russia, China, Iran. Nothing to do with criminal organisations. Its majority to do with the desire of British citizens and residents to kill, hurt and alarm other British citizens and residents because of their race, religion, culture or political views. And there is an acceptance that the plots are so numerous and widely perpetrated or accepted within communities that it is inevitable that some will be carried off. It is a matter of when not if.
If that isnt an utter failure of multi culturalism, integration and government policy then i don't know what is.