Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gazza]

Labour are instinctively uncomfortable and divided on the issue though. The two child benefit cap was largely introduced off the back of genuine public anger that a chav or immigrant could bang out 5 or 6 kids and end up being handed a 6 bedroom mansion and £80K a year for sitting on their a** all day while muggins like me earn less (but still too much to qualify for even the non -UC child benefit.

I would understand supporting child birth rate if a countries population is in decline.

But I have three kids and earn my corn to support my family and give my kids as much as I can afford, they don’t go without.

It’s annoying to see people pumping out kids like a baby factory and claim all the benefits under the sun. How is that fair? I’ve even helped a friend on a weekend on a removal job for his business, and the family were celebrating moving from their council flat to a council house because they had their 4th child. Their neighbours were asking how they managed it, they said easy they planned on having more kids to get a bigger house. They joked about having 2 more. This was in Kensington.

 

[scaramanga]

I thought you were advocating for a one state solution?

Did I misunderstand?

No, I'm advocating for a Palestine that is kept secure and safe by Israel/the US who would hold a veto to ensure that nobody is stupid enough to vote in someone like Hamas again.

 

[scaramanga]

The YouGov MRP polls are very reliable and accurate to within a small margin of error. Albeit it is still a snapshot in time (i.e. its "if a GE were held now" - well it won't be held until 2029) - although i am not sure the established parties have an answer for this as their fundamental problem is that all of them other than the Greens have been in power and therefore they are ALL part of the problem.

their current attack line of "Reform don't have the answer to your problems" will not work as Farage's answer is a simple: "well we can hardly do any worse than all of those lot".

Delivery against the wishes of the British public is the only way to counter Reform and this current government are failing woefully at this...

As to Labour and the other parties, i don't think they have a choice but to lean into it. Because its the clear no. 1 priority for a majority of the public.

See Starmer's article in today's Telegraph as an example.

Unfortunately he seems to think it can be fixed with ID cards - he doesn't seem to realise that those employing illegally aren't checking for ID.

 

[Baleforce]

ID cards are a nonsense.

I wish someone would tell the Labour Party they won the election, have a massive majority and can implement their agenda. They don’t need to waste time pandering to this right wing flimflam.

 

[Jurgen the German]

ID cards are a nonsense.

I wish someone would tell the Labour Party they won the election, have a massive majority and can implement their agenda. They don’t need to waste time pandering to this right wing flimflam.

Fine for now but they may not win another election if they don’t address immigration. No one is a saying they have to pander to the right. But it would nice if the pendulum swung to the middle.

 

[johnola]

Well if we all need id cards that’s left wing.

 

[Baleforce]

Fine for now but they may not win another election if they don’t address immigration. No one is a saying they have to pander to the right. But it would nice if the pendulum swung to the middle.

They have years before they have to worry about being elected again.

I agree they should work in the middle, immigration is only an issue to the far right.

 

[scaramanga]

ID cards are a nonsense.

I wish someone would tell the Labour Party they won the election, have a massive majority and can implement their agenda. They don’t need to waste time pandering to this right wing flimflam.

It was labour who wanted them before and the Conservatives who pushed back