Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Silly McSilly Face]

Let me just remind you what you posted;

"It is illegal to enter the UK if you are a non-UK national and do not have leave to enter. There is no defence to the offence that relates to claiming asylum. FYI it is simply a matter of practicality that the majority of people arriving illegally are not prosecuted for the offence"

Now apply that to my correction of your position.

It is ok to admit when you get something wrong or don't understand something properly - that's one way we learn.

I repeat: it is an offence to enter the UK if you are a non UK national and there is no defence to that offence that relates to claiming asylum. An immigration officer or constable or customs officer acting under direction from an immigration officer may search a person etc for documents to establish their nationality/leave to enter/remain and a person established to be a non UK national to have entered the UK without leave can be detained by an immigration officer or constable- however guidance is that this is usually reserved for those re entering following a deportation order or those suspected of being linked to serious criminality etc. Guidance is that administrative measures such as removal from the UK or consideration as to whether they could be given leave to enter/remain (i.e. whether they may have a valid claim to refugee status) are preferred to detention and prosecution- but be clear this is not a statutory defence- this is guidance to law enforcement officers and prosecutors on practical application of the law.

 

[monkeybarry]

I repeat: it is an offence to enter the UK if you are a non UK national and there is no defence to that offence that relates to claiming asylum. An immigration officer or constable or customs officer acting under direction from an immigration officer may search a person etc for documents to establish their nationality/leave to enter/remain and a person established to be a non UK national to have entered the UK without leave can be detained by an immigration officer or constable- however guidance is that this is usually reserved for those re entering following a deportation order or those suspected of being linked to serious criminality etc. Guidance is that administrative measures such as removal from the UK or consideration as to whether they could be given leave to enter/remain (i.e. whether they may have a valid claim to refugee status) are preferred to detention and prosecution- but be clear this is not a statutory defence- this is guidance to law enforcement officers and prosecutors on practical application of the law.

Did you write that yourself?
Or did you get AI to do it?
Just trying to work out which flavour of wrong I need to educate.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Did you write that yourself?
Or did you get AI to do it?
Just trying to work out which flavour of wrong I need to educate.

I wrote it myself so educate away

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

You've read them...tell me.

I'm not quite sure what part of my other post you were replying to. Why I think they're 'douchebags'?

I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.

Yeah. That would be silly as well, offering an opinion from his pov.

I've asked you about some facts and figures on the issue and why you called them 'douchebags'. I haven't offered an opinion, apart from semi supporting your
idea that they're illegal on point of entry.

I do ask quite a few questions but you very rarely answer.

 

[Grays_1890]

I am asking if your views on the issue are relevant assuming you haven't been in their situation either. I mean I haven't been in Vladimir Putin's situation so my views on the rights or wrongs of his invasion of Ukraine are also irrelevant i guess. Makes sense.

Huge difference on opinion and statements of fact though.

You can think you would not risk yours and your child's life for a better life but you can't say without being in their shoes as a matter of fact, I am sure you will argue to the contrary but there we are.

Enjoy people, I am off to fight my way through the apparent cesspit of fallen London for a beer......... wish me luck

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Yeah. That would be silly as well, offering an opinion from his pov.

I've asked you about some facts and figures on the issue and why you called them 'douchebags'. I haven't offered an opinion, apart from semi supporting your
idea that they're illegal on point of entry.

I do ask quite a few questions but you very rarely answer.

Cant you look up the stats? Ill come back to you but I work and have 3 young children so my replies on here are generally spaffed on the hoof between sh*t ive got to get on with so when youre wanting stats that I dont know off the top of my head you'll hsve to wait - sorry

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Huge difference on opinion and statements of fact though.

You can think you would not risk yours and your child's life for a better life but you can't say without being in their shoes as a matter of fact, I am sure you will argue to the contrary but there we are.

Enjoy people, I am off to fight my way through the apparent cesspit of fallen London for a beer......... wish me luck

So this is one of the cruses of rhe immigration debate though....if theyre crossing the channel "for a better life" they're not a refugee. If theyre crossing the channel to flee persecution - they are a refugee.

 

[Rorschach]

Cant you look up the stats? Ill come back to you but I work and have 3 young children so my replies on here are generally spaffed on the hoof between sh*t ive got to get on with so when youre wanting stats that I dont know off the top of my head you'll hsve to wait - sorry

You should make your posts shorter then.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

So this is one of the cruses of rhe immigration debate though....if theyre crossing the channel "for a better life" they're not a refugee. If theyre crossing the channel to flee persecution - they are a refugee.

Both can exist.
But you have no interest in accepting that.
And by the way I don’t need to be referred to as someone who needs immigration status explained to them.

 

[richie_spur]

If you haven't done this, then you have not lived

Is that why Alex fell out with Nicola?!

(and yes, I know his name has a D at the end...)

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

You should make your posts shorter then.

I thought i told you not to read my posts- they're long, rambling, full of errors and very very silly