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It all has to be weighed up, electric furnaces can't create some types of steel and need massive govt subsidies to get up and running. All whilst our power costs are the highest in the developed world, pointless building things when it's too expensive to use them to be competitive.

The tech isn't there yet. But get Port Talbot doing most of the bulk on their electric furnaces, then by the time its ready to upgrade Sclamhorpe hopefully R&D will have been able to get those to the point they are able to produce the highest temperatures. That's a lot better than cratering out half of Cumbria to burn some dirty dinosaurs.
 
The tech isn't there yet. But get Port Talbot doing most of the bulk on their electric furnaces, then by the time its ready to upgrade Sclamhorpe hopefully R&D will have been able to get those to the point they are able to produce the highest temperatures. That's a lot better than cratering out half of Cumbria to burn some dirty dinosaurs.

We need to focus on bringing power prices down, the knock on effect long term will be huge. It's a massive drain on productivity, agree with the post above that we need more nuclear - should be building more already and exporting the tech and getting on with some proof of concept for SMRs.

If we want to remove coal then we should stop outsourcing the use of it and buying all our turbines from China and claiming it's renewable.
 
We need to focus on bringing power prices down, the knock on effect long term will be huge. It's a massive drain on productivity, agree with the post above that we need more nuclear - should be building more already and exporting the tech and getting on with some proof of concept for SMRs.

If we want to remove coal then we should stop outsourcing the use of it and buying all our turbines from China and claiming it's renewable.
It's an interesting thing isn't it? Greta, bless her, does make some valid points around "false accounting" around government green/renewable energy strategy.

"We're green because we don't allow mining here, we just import all the raw materials from Ecuador, Venezuela and Brazil instead where they've chopped down half the amazon to meet all the new mining demand from eco-friendly western states"....is one of them...but at least we're not digging up the ground in Cumbria eh?
 
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It's an interesting thing isn't it? Greta, bless her, does make some valid points around "false accounting" around government green/renewable energy strategy.

"We're green because we don't allow mining here, we just import all the raw materials from Ecuador, Venezuela and Brazil instead where they've chopped down half the amazon to meet all the new mining demand from eco-friendly western states"....is one of them...but at least we're not digging up the ground in Cumbria eh?

I'm generally pro-green measures but the media don't even challenge the most basic information.

 
I'm generally pro-green measures but the media don't even challenge the most basic information.

Yep. Heat pump boilers are another case in point. They are extremely expensive compared to gas boilers and they are not actually much more efficient when you take account of the fact they work by taking air and heating it, therefore their efficiency actually decreases as the air temperature lowers (i.e. their efficiency is at it's worse when their usage need is at it's maximum). When I actually looked into getting one I was absolutely gobsmacked and how sh*t the benefit was going to be compared to getting a brand new ultra efficient gas boiler and how much it was going to cost to install and how much sh*t they were going to have to install in and on my house to get it working. I was also looking at all the kit and thinking "there's no way all of that's lasting 10 years in a British climate without breaking"
 
Nope.

I'm still for it.
me too I’m underlain by the same source rocks. I’ve done a seismic report myself and have a background in geology and geofizz but you don’t need they to recognise the connection between fracking and swarms of small earthquakes

They should have to compensate the communities somehow though - even just helping with council tax and in particular paying for the added insurance risk.
 
me too I’m underlain by the same source rocks. I’ve done a seismic report myself and have a background in geology and geofizz but you don’t need they to recognise the connection between fracking and swarms of small earthquakes

They should have to compensate the communities somehow though - even just helping with council tax and in particular paying for the added insurance risk.
Weren't the Russians responsible for a lot of the scare stories around fracking?

Other countries managed to do. I'm sure some things went wrong but can it really be worse then some of the renewable forms of energy which have horrific carbon footprints.

Anything that gets the economy moving and helps pay for public services should be looked at.
 
The City of London's GDP passed £100 billion for the first time, in 2023 (£110.8 billion, up from £99.3 billion in 2022), putting it equivalent to entire national economies such as Slovakia or Morocco. It remains one of the most concentrated areas of economic output in the world. London as a whole rose to £617 billion, equivalent to the entire national economic output of Poland.
 
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The City of London's GDP passed £100 billion for the first time, in 2023 (£110.8 billion, up from £99.3 billion in 2022), putting it equivalent to entire national economies such as Slovakia or Morocco. It remains one of the most concentrated areas of economic output in the world. London as a whole rose to £617 billion, equivalent to the entire national economic output of Poland.
Money from financial services just passes through as it lines the pockets of the super rich. It doesnt touch the side for real people though, unlike if there was industry
 
Weren't the Russians responsible for a lot of the scare stories around fracking?

Other countries managed to do. I'm sure some things went wrong but can it really be worse then some of the renewable forms of energy which have horrific carbon footprints.

Anything that gets the economy moving and helps pay for public services should be looked at.
No, it was the people in Cumbria and Lancashire whose houses were cracking apart because of the earthquakea.

Countries like America have a fraction of the population density as us. We have no particular area of wilderness where earthquakes wouldnt cause major disruptions to people.
 
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Money from financial services just passes through as it lines the pockets of the super rich. It doesnt touch the side for real people though, unlike if there was industry
Tourism is about 20bn in London annually, that goes everywhere and with all the segway into other sectors like retail etc off the back of it, has to put it near the top of employers in the city, so plenty do benefit. But I do agree with the sentiment on the otherside
 
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The services companies also have huge buildings which are maintained and serviced by an army of people all earning a wage.
And local shops, pubs, bars and cafes get all the business from the thousands of workers that come in most working days. It's also a generalisation to say that the finance being processed by the city is just going to the rich. The city is no.1 in the world for trade finance and insurance. They still ring a bell in Lloyds every time a ship sinks. The insurance market and trading floors are a fascinating place. These trades are vital for global commerce. And while there are no doubt lots of funds under management on behalf of the global rich, there's billions under management on behalf of everyone else's pensions and public services. NHS trusts, police forces, local authorities, they all use the capital markets. They invest spare funding into timed deposits that are paid out with interest.
 
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