Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gutter Boy]

I think the waste problem can be fixed by packing it in cyber trucks, attaching it to Musk's rockets and sending them into the sun with him as pilot. Win win.

The waste issue is rightly seen as the lesser of two evils at the moment. Getting to zero carbon emissions (not net zero - that is a con) is the problem of our time. The waste issue is important but is something that is not existential to the species (all of them). A bigger problem might be the decommissioning of existing plants when seas rise and/or rivers fall.

Its a diversion though, a distraction, a waste of time and resource. The same as carbon capture and all that nonsense too. We just need more wind and solar. But big business doesnt make as mucb money from things that come freely, so hence the 'light cigarettes lobby'

 

[Gutter Boy]

Net zero is the biggest con of our lifetime.

A noble idea but utter gonads

Agree. It needs to be absolute zero.

Then, if we've somehow prevented the tipping point that extincts our species, we have to look at things like basalt fertiliser to start pulling the CO2 back out of the atmosphere

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Its a diversion though, a distraction, a waste of time and resource. The same as carbon capture and all that nonsense too. We just need more wind and solar. But big business doesnt make as mucb money from things that come freely, so hence the 'light cigarettes lobby'

I've been pondering this.

There has to be (obviously) a nervousness in the energy industry that customers can effectively cut the cord.

If I turn my house into a mini power station...I'm a lost customer.

They'll want to stick their nose in, put barriers up, maintain a position in the loop. Currently many (homes) are harnessing energy and pumping it into the grid for them, that's doing loads of their hard yards.

They should do an experiment with a village, calculate their energy needs and build house to house and field to field tech to supply it...and see how it stacks up. Detached from the grid.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I've been pondering this.

There has to be (obviously) a nervousness in the energy industry that customers can effectively cut the cord.

If I turn my house into a mini power station...I'm a lost customer.

They'll want to stick their nose in, put barriers up, maintain a position in the loop. Currently many are harnessing energy and pumping it into the grid for them, that's doing loads of their hard yards.

They should do an experiment with a village, calculate their energy needs and build house to house and field to field tech to supply it...and see how it stacks up. Detached from the grid.

I'm not so much into the decentralisation of it for me. But I think a key thing is the (hopefully state) ownership of it. If the state own the grid and the turbines. Solar panels should really be mandated on all buildings, apart from heritage ones, so they are private but all contribute equally to the public. Once there is enough of that, then everything is free. All you are paying for is maintenance of the infrastructure. There's no extraction, transport, conversion costs etc.

It could eventually become like a TV licence or unmetered water. Everyone pays their £200 a year as a tax, and energy is then free. You don't need power companies or oil companies - they become irrelevant. That's why they are fighting such a hard fight against green energy. As you say, it takes away all our dependence - on Texico, Shell, British Gas, Saudi Arabia - all the bad guys.

 

[Rorschach]

I've been pondering this.

There has to be (obviously) a nervousness in the energy industry that customers can effectively cut the cord.

If I turn my house into a mini power station...I'm a lost customer.

They'll want to stick their nose in, put barriers up, maintain a position in the loop. Currently many are harnessing energy and pumping it into the grid for them, that's doing loads of their hard yards.

They should do an experiment with a village, calculate their energy needs and build house to house and field to field tech to supply it...and see how it stacks up. Detached from the grid.

This is what we should strive for, to be islands or mini-grids, connected up to the main grid for backup. The rate at which PV panels (and batteries) are improving is simply stunning and it will soon allow even houses with modest roof real estate to produce most or all of their power. I bought some 400w panels a few years ago and they were not far off the best you could buy at the time. I see 600w panels for about 100eur now. Panels still are on the upwards part of the s curve and will just keep getting cheaper and more efficient for a long time to come. They are getting so cheap I see talks of a PV panel OPEC being formed to try to stop the price from dropping too low!!

A village/town grid is a thing already. It is an idea that needs to be adopted wholesale in any forest fire risk area especially. California grid operators shut off power in bad weather to stop accidental fires from happening!

Anyway I think all power companies should be nationalised at this stage and all oil execs jailed or sent to fight forest fires. They should be nervous.

 

[Grays_1890]

No need for "trust me bro" on this, I know I stand on the right side of history on this.

Below backs up all the points made:

First an importantly the fact that even you know that Robinsons racism nearly collapsed an entire investigation.


To my point about justice being rightfully served

Operation Stovewood: Seven jailed for child abuse in Rotherham

The case is part of the Operation Stovewood inquiry into child abuse in Rotherham.

www.bbc.co.uk

To my point about Starmer and the CPS, snapshots of an inquiry into his time which reflected on its shortcomings but Starmer striving to improve the outcome for victims (BTW I think Starmer is a pillock but he is not the only one who should carry the can for these historic abuses, Boris "the 60 inquiry is spaffed up the wall" has more to answer for):

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To my point about the victims lashing out at Musk for being the cnut he is:

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I stand with the victims of these things, not cnts like Robinson who twice almost made cases collapse. I would much prefer those being charged and tried to get whats coming to them than supporting a cnut who is endangering that process.........but yeh, its me thats using mental gymnastics.

You carry on supporting someone who has a history of domestic violence and has major associations with well known nonces (square that circle). Oh and someone who was complicit in the Eleanor Williams debacle where his involvement meant a load of innocent people were attacked and blamed for abuses because he marched into town and created uproar, only to find out that the whole thing was a lie.

An important note on the Eleanor Williams case which seems lost on prats like you, is that making stuff up and or racing to conclusions on cases based on ethnicity and colour of the skin of people does absolutely nothing to help the actual victims of genuine crime, in fact it makes it 10x harder, not that you care about fair justice yourself

So yeah I don't think he is helpful to the cause

Lets not lie here and pretend you care about the victims of this or any other abuse anyway because that would be a massive lie

For those with a level mind to things, I found this a really informative and balanced article on the current situation:

Six things to know about the grooming gang scandal

 

[Batspur]

For those with a level mind to things, I found this a really informative and balanced article on the current situation:

Six things to know about the grooming gang scandal

Nice edit on your previous post cuck boy.

Btw genius your link doesn't work...

 

[Mikey10]

Nice edit on your previous post cuck boy.

Btw genius your link doesn't work...

Any chance you (Batspur) can either sort out the tone in which you debate things on here or, alternatively, head back to whichever other platform you came from?

For now, I’ll employ the IGNORE function for only the second time in a decade (both times being in the last few months, unfortunately).

 

[Kompakted]

Its a diversion though, a distraction, a waste of time and resource. The same as carbon capture and all that nonsense too. We just need more wind and solar. But big business doesnt make as mucb money from things that come freely, so hence the 'light cigarettes lobby'

I think its a generalisation to say big business are against green energy. Green energy is one of the go-to investment and growth opportunities and those that manage to establish a significant market share in it are obviously more set up for the future.

Green energy isn't "free" energy, because solar, wind and hydro energy needs converting into electricity and the tech behind that is still in development and nobody has yet to establish a dominant market position in renewable energy.

You need energy to convert renewable energy into electricity and the supply of the raw energy from renewables is inconsistent. Fusion reaction is the only "self sustaining" source of energy known to science. And its limited to what happens inside stars currently.

There are entire private investment funds specialising in green energy investment. So it's an area big business is pouring a lot of resource into.

While it's easy to say "cut out energy suppliers by making every house generate its own energy" you've got to think about the realities of that: if your solar generator stops working and you're not on the grid; you are faced with a call-out charge, a parts and labour charge and an availability lottery. Plus the hassle of sorting it out yourself. If your electricity supply fails from the grid, it'll likely be sorted out within hours from the first report....if the local sub station breaks, its not your responsibility to fix it. That's the other thing to add in my decision to ditch a heat pump after having the quote and survey. The things cost £13K currently. If it breaks, where does that leave me? No government grant for replacements...only new installations.

 

[spurspinter1]

Any chance you (Batspur) can either sort out the tone in which you debate things on here or, alternatively, head back to whichever other platform you came from?

For now, I’ll employ the IGNORE function for only the second time in a decade (both times being in the last few months, unfortunately).

As ever I'll admit hypocrisy as I have got a bit carried away many a time, but it'd be great if people could have this kind of debate without claiming that the other participant in the debate doesn't care about the victims of r4pe. Once that's been said, the discussion isn't likely to reach a healthy finale, it's a tasteless and baseless thing to put out there.

I'm biased and it's probably clear who I side with, there's a few newer posters that really know how to make any debate a completely fruitless one. The rat seems to have wound his neck in, perhaps the bat can give it a go as well.

 

[Batspur]

As ever I'll admit hypocrisy as I have got a bit carried away many a time, but it'd be great if people could have this kind of debate without claiming that the other participant in the debate doesn't care about the victims of r4pe. Once that's been said, the discussion isn't likely to reach a healthy finale, it's a tasteless and baseless thing to put out there.

I'm biased and it's probably clear who I side with, there's a few newer posters that really know how to make any debate a completely fruitless one. The rat seems to have wound his neck in, perhaps the bat can give it a go as well.

If a certain person can kindly refrain from calling me a clam I'm sure we'll get along famously.

If he stopped making brick up that would be a positive too.

 

[Kompakted]

So we just give up? Let it run through and let the bodies pile high as Johnson said.

Of course we can fix this. It’s actually happening. Extra beds are being put in place. Of course we cant save everyone. But lets not forget. The average age of someone dying of covid was 82. Thats ons figures. The average age of someone dying in this country is 80.

You do the math. They fudged up a generation because of a different flu.

You can't fix it. I'm not sure you really understand what I'm getting at, yeah, they can increase beds a bit but beds and monitoring equipment and everything else that goes with them are expensive. And then you have to have the staff to monitor them and use them.

There are competing priorities. If you buy enough beds and equipment to comfortably get through January, that investment is on stuff that won't get touched for 10 months a year.

Similarly if you fund the recruitment and training of enough doctors and nurses to deal comfortably with January demand, there will be fully qualified doctors and nurses sat there for weeks on end in the summer with literally nothing to do. And job satisfaction and engagement will fall out it's a**e.

There's a point above which resource for the NHS becomes inefficient and unfortunately I think people being stuck on trolleys in ward corridors and things are just going to be a fact of life for the health service in mid-winter. These stories always surface at this time of year and by the middle of February they've all gone...

 

[Batspur]

You can't fix it. I'm not sure you really understand what I'm getting at, yeah, they can increase beds a bit but beds and monitoring equipment and everything else that goes with them are expensive. And then you have to have the staff to monitor them and use them.

There are competing priorities. If you buy enough beds and equipment to comfortably get through January, that investment is on stuff that won't get touched for 10 months a year.

Similarly if you fund the recruitment and training of enough doctors and nurses to deal comfortably with January demand, there will be fully qualified doctors and nurses sat there for weeks on end in the summer with literally nothing to do. And job satisfaction and engagement will fall out it's a**e.

There's a point above which resource for the NHS becomes inefficient and unfortunately I think people being stuck on trolleys in ward corridors and things are just going to be a fact of life for the health service in mid-winter. These stories always surface at this time of year and by the middle of February they've all gone...

I think we are agreeing. Back when COVID was a thing it made sense to educate folks to learn intubation.

We had the time.

Anyway. I agree. It's a cycle and we can't have folks on standby permanently. But we could have had a task force ready to act then.when had the time.

Sadly flu will kill people over 80 years old. That's just a fact.


fudging up the lives of 12 to 22 years olds wasn't the answer. Look at our youngsters today. The lock down killed them.

And furthermore. My wife is in pre school. This year's cohort are tre worston history since the war.

COVID wasn't a war. I digress.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

On second thoughts, I would prefer to continue calling the right wing nut a clam!