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scaramanga said:
I think that if we're going to have a chance of properly staffing our police force, there needs to be a deterrent against attacking officers.

For the types of scum that spend their lives in and out of prison, more prison time isn't a deterrent. Letting the nearest officer loose on you with all the non-lethal weapons at his disposal is.
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What a silly piece of conflation.

The nearest officer had him laid out flat on his front with his hands restrained behind his back...what followed from his colleague has nothing to do with police recruitment .
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What a silly piece of conflation.

The nearest officer had him laid out flat on his front with his hands restrained behind his back...what followed from his colleague has nothing to do with police recruitment .
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Yes I think most potential coppers can see that facing violence is a known part of the job and, inflicting unjustified violence back once you've got the person under control is...a bit dumb. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.
 
Robspur12 said:
I can honestly say as an ex police officer, speaking for myself and many colleagues, we would not agree with that. Those who enforce the law should always be held accountable to it. Otherwise our impartiality is compromised.

Don't disagree with the first part though.
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It's certainly a fine line, and one that has to be balanced.

But it takes a certain type of person to attack a police officer - one that I'm perfectly happy to have no part in our society whatsoever.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What a silly piece of conflation.

The nearest officer had him laid out flat on his front with his hands restrained behind his back...what followed from his colleague has nothing to do with police recruitment .
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Great to watch though, wasn't it?

One of the best videos I've seen in a while.
 
scaramanga said:
Why wait? They've already taken the record
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One thing they are the worst at is communication. The other day they actually did a press release saying that Starmer had written to all of the regulators asking them for their opinion on how to grow the economy. Of course this gets jumped on and I do think a bit unfairly because it's quite a reasonable thing to do (in private) but to f***ing comms out something like that as an official government news item inviting the inevitable "they don't know what they're doing so they're asking other people how to do their job"....just f***ing nuts. What goes on in that media team I honestly don't know....
 
www.theguardian.com

UK government hires ‘nudge unit’ to help dispel heat pump myths

Behaviour experts say misinformation shared in media and by other stakeholders is impeding uptake
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Just reading this, thought I'd share my own experience of looking into a heat pump boiler. Our current gas boiler is coming to the end of its life and having swapped my gas guzzler for an EV at the beginning of last year (2024) I thought I'd look into getting a heat pump.

We live in a modern (built in 2014) semi detached, with 12 radiators in total. Nothing too excessive or unusual.

We were quoted £13,000 for installation, which with a £7,000 government grant meant we'd pay £6K. For comparison purposes, we've been quoted £1,800 for an ultra efficient gas boiler replacement.

The real killers for me in terms of the viability of heat pump boilers were: we needed a 2m (high) by 3m (wide) by 2m (depth) space on an external wall to the house for the actual heat pump unit. Now actually this wasn't the real killer for us because we've got a large garden and we could have accommodated it but it works have been a bloody eye-sore and still taken up a fare chunk of land....but the absolute killer was we needed a 2m by 1m water cylinder inside the house. That's a huge water cylinder and we didn't have a suitable space for it so they said the only option would be for us to get a quote to convert the void in our roof into a loft strong enough to accommodate it and once done they could then install it. But even then they said they'd struggle to get the cylinder up the stairs into the loft area and so theyd need to get their technicians to arrange a second site visit and even if they green lighted it as possible we'd likely be quoted additional installation costs over and above the £13K and the cost (and stress and mess) of the roof void/loft conversion. At that point we abandoned the entire exercise.

So I don't agree that there's misinformation about heat pump boilers. From my own experience they are going to be completely impractical and overpriced for a lot of people and properties in this country.

Wasn't a killer for me either but the government trying to say news articles stating that heat pumps work less well in the cold are misinfornstion is in itself misinformstion. Heat pumps work by ingesting air and heating it. When the source air is colder that process is obviously less efficient. It's just a fact. I actually already have a heat pump tumble dryer and it's not as efficient at drying in winter as in summer meaning we sometimes have to put it on a second cycle for large loads. That's because the air it is ingesting to start it's heating process is colder and so the resulting heat the clothes are subjected to is also therefore colder.

And that's from someone that genuinely wanted one to be greener.
 
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Kompakted said:
www.theguardian.com

UK government hires ‘nudge unit’ to help dispel heat pump myths

Behaviour experts say misinformation shared in media and by other stakeholders is impeding uptake
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Just reading this, thought I'd share my own experience of looking into a heat pump boiler. Our current gas boiler is coming to the end of its life and having swapped my gas guzzler for an EV at the beginning of last year (2024) I thought I'd look into getting a heat pump.

We live in a modern (built in 2014) semi detached, with 12 radiators in total. Nothing too excessive or unusual.

We were quoted £13,000 for installation, which with a £7,000 government grant meant we'd pay £6K. For comparison purposes, we've been quoted £1,800 for an ultra efficient gas boiler replacement.

The real killers for me in terms of the viability of heat pump boilers were: we needed a 2m (high) by 3m (wide) by 2m (depth) space on an external wall to the house for the actual heat pump unit. Now actually this wasn't the real killer for us because we've got a large garden and we could have accommodated it but it works have been a bloody eye-sore and still taken up a fare chunk of land....but the absolute killer was we needed a 2m by 1m water cylinder inside the house. That's a huge water cylinder and we didn't have a suitable space for it so they said the only option would be for us to get a quote to convert the void in our roof into a loft strong enough to accommodate it and once done they could then install it. At that point we abandoned the entire exercise.

So I don't agree that there's misinformation about heat pump boilers. From my own experience they are going to be completely impractical and overpriced for a lot of people and properties in this country. And that's from someone that genuinely wanted one to be greener.
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I'm quite neutral to positive about the idea. I definitely believe in rapid gas phase-out anyway.

But the observed reality that concerns me is that to have one install, a house few doors down from me has had to have all its render stripped off, a polystyrene layer cladded all round the house, and then it completely re-rendered again. And they've done this twice (I don't know what went wrong the first time) and its taken nearly 6 months so far.

Other people I know have been told they need the interior of their house completely lined with additional internal insulation, which again seems major disruption and additional cost.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'm quite neutral to positive about the idea. I definitely believe in rapid gas phase-out anyway.

But the observed reality that concerns me is that to have one install, a house few doors down from me has had to have all its render stripped off, a polystyrene layer cladded all round the house, and then it completely re-rendered again. And they've done this twice (I don't know what went wrong the first time) and its taken nearly 6 months so far.

Other people I know have been told they need the interior of their house completely lined with additional internal insulation, which again seems major disruption and additional cost.
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From my experience gas phase out would be dependent on traditional electric boilers, which are very costly to run compared to gas boilers and heat pumps. Again, having looked into getting one, heat pump boilers are a farcical pipe dream for most domestic properties requiring significanr building work in many cases as you say.
 
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