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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Class it britain has never been based on money (like most of the world does). Its primarily determined by your parents' occupations. Just a weird quirk.

Personally my shorthand is:
Working class - non-home owning
Lower middle class - home owning, state schooled
Upper middle class - home owning, private schooled
Upper class - inherited land
Yeah I think it comes back to they're "Thatcher's children", born in the 80s where there was a mass switch from working class to middle class as traditional mining, steel and vehicle industries were shut down and the UK's service industries really took off in terms of finance, legal, accountancy and audit....my wife and I both had families that were working class. Her dad was a refrigeration engineer and her mum was a cleaner, a lot of her friends are similar but my wife works in finance for a global corporate law firm, her best friend (whose dad died of industrial disease after working all his life in a factory) is a project manager for a private water company, her other friends are very similar...Blair accelerated that process by pushing up numbers of kids going to university to the point now where 2/3 of kids end up graduating with degrees which has created a labour shortage for lower qualified jobs currently being filled by migrants while there's more and more people leaving uni and ending up doing call centre work or even just living with their parents unemployed as there are too many graduates for graduate level jobs and they won't train as a bricklayer or electrician for example as " i didn't spend 4 years and get myself in £30k worth of debt to be a sparky" ....seems like "education education education" might not have been always a good thing?
 
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Official figures yesterday showed a growth set back. GDP declined for the second month in succession, first time that has happened since 2020 during the pandemic.

With companies stating they will cut back on investment because of the recent budget I wonder where growth will come from. Let's hope Labour have a plan, a plan that does not just involve giving public sector worker raises.
 
Official figures yesterday showed a growth set back. GDP declined for the second month in succession, first time that has happened since 2020 during the pandemic.

With companies stating they will cut back on investment because of the recent budget I wonder where growth will come from. Let's hope Labour have a plan, a plan that does not just involve giving public sector worker raises.
I'll tell you where growth doesn't come from: hammering businesses and foreign investors...

Reeves response to the negative reaction to her budget is that they've "laid the foundations for growth" which is a bit like the Boris Johnson "40 hospitals" where the actual growth will come in the next 50 years (exact time frame to be confirmed) ....

Saying that, the obsession with growth has been a fundamental flaw of many of our political commentators and politicians of recent times, with Liz Truss being the most extreme example.

The main problem with the budget for me isn't that it will not produce growth, it's that it is quite likely going to produce job losses and difficulties for small business owners and workers....
 
I see Bundesbank German's national bank has warned they could face a downturn because of the tarrifs imposed by Trump and that they support "in general free trade between nations"

I honestly don't know where to start with that.

It's difficult for me because most days when I wake up I open the window and shout out the window at no one in particular CNUTS. We live in a small close, don't think the neighbours like me much but there we go.
 
I'll tell you where growth doesn't come from: hammering businesses and foreign investors...

Reeves response to the negative reaction to her budget is that they've "laid the foundations for growth" which is a bit like the Boris Johnson "40 hospitals" where the actual growth will come in the next 50 years (exact time frame to be confirmed) ....
Giving public sector workers massive raises and putting up taxes is not how you increase growth. I'm starring to have an uneasy feeling about voting for them.

Tories we're no better mind.
 
Official figures yesterday showed a growth set back. GDP declined for the second month in succession, first time that has happened since 2020 during the pandemic.

With companies stating they will cut back on investment because of the recent budget I wonder where growth will come from. Let's hope Labour have a plan, a plan that does not just involve giving public sector worker raises.
2.5 million migrants.

It's about as creative as they think.

This country is screwed.
 
Unless Farage gets in, 5 years time and starts mass deportations and let's the finance guys do their thing.
I didn't vote at the last election, knowing Labour would get in but thinking that they'd basically just keep things ticking along how Sunak and Hunt left things but minus all the infighting and dodgy mate dealing that had dogged the tories. I was wrong. Wish I'd held my nose and voted for the tories to keep this lot out. We will be on our knees after 5 years of this. And all the dodgy stuff with mates and donations and taking the constant pi** just carried on. At this rate, don't see how i have a choice not to vote Reform. Literally the only party that even talks about doing anything that addresses the fundamental structural issues we face ...
 
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Class it britain has never been based on money (like most of the world does). Its primarily determined by your parents' occupations. Just a weird quirk.

Personally my shorthand is:
Working class - non-home owning
Lower middle class - home owning, state schooled
Upper middle class - home owning, private schooled
Upper class - inherited land
Below working class there is also 'Non-working class' , a whole group of people, some 2nd or 3rd generation non-working, that don't work and have no intention to.
 
Unless Farage gets in, 5 years time and starts mass deportations and let's the finance guys do their thing.
For me, it is Proportionate Representation I want.

A fairer reflection of the views of the people in the houses of Parliament. It would instantly stop the insanity, resulting in policies being fleshed out and supported by the majority of the elctorate.

I always worry about the finance guys, becaue the finance guys just care about a minority of the population, those at the top. It's easy to make money when you screw over most of the population, but just give enough, to enough people, to stay in power.

It's why this country is mess, because nobody sat down and thought, well, if the people at the bottom are doing great, then everyone above them is doing fantastic. Financial policies for the majority, not the minority.
 
potentially boosting the UK economy by £2 billion a year in the long run....


Seems a good idea to me.
Been working on it for years, Liz Truss was a surprisingly competent foreign secretary and under her the DIT laid the majority of the ground work for this moment, signing FTA's with Japan, Australia and New Zealand, which were targeted stepping stones to accession into CPTPP, which was effectively approved by CPTPP members beginning of 2022 and we signed the treaty last year with an implementation period ending today....
 
UK formally joined the CPTPP as its first European member today.

I'm generally opposed to trade agreements (tariffs protect domestic producers from rampant globalism).

But I'm positive about working more with countries like Japan, Malaysia and Mexico. If we want to avoid America and China as much as possible, Asia-Pacific and South America are good places to be operating our trade policy.
 
I'm generally opposed to trade agreements (tariffs protect domestic producers from rampant globalism).

But I'm positive about working more with countries like Japan, Malaysia and Mexico. If we want to avoid America and China as much as possible, Asia-Pacific and South America are good places to be operating our trade policy.
The good thing about doing deals with those further away though is that often these countries and economies are very different and therefore *non competitive* and we are far more likely to be in a situation where we are providing mutually beneficial services. Australia and NZ produce and
excess of food & wine for their relatively small populations whereas the UK doesn't produce enough food domestically to support its relatively large population. So removing trade barriers to the import of produce from those countries benefits us and them significantly.
 
The good thing about doing deals with those further away though is that often these countries and economies are very different and therefore *non competitive* and we are far more likely to be in a situation where we are providing mutually beneficial services. Australia and NZ produce and
excess of food & wine for their relatively small populations whereas the UK doesn't produce enough food domestically to support its relatively large population. So removing trade barriers to the import of produce from those countries benefits us and them significantly.

Yes - trade definitely works better with countries that are very different to you, rather than similar. That's more the purer fundamentals of exchanging what you have excess of for that you lack, rather than a race to the bottom undercut on quality and conditions.
 
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