They can live wherever they want. What kind of person would dispute that or try to stop them?
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Interestingly, you know my reservations about where the UK economy might be headed under the current government, but the UK achieved a record purchase figure of government paper in their latest issuance, partly driven by higher interest rates for govt borrowing but also investors dumbing eurozone positions in favour of US and UK stock
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Kemi Badenoch "Perhaps he can show concern for the 1,100 people who found out yesterday that they could lose their jobs at Vauxhaul's plant in Luton"
Keir Starmer "I would remind her.. The EV mandate was introduced by the last government.. She was the Business Secretary that introduced them"
It's actually a good policy. Arguably the only intelligent thing she has ever done. It's just the consequence of European and Japanese car manufacturers clinging on to big oil, while the Chinese have flown past them with EVs. It's one thing (for the sake of the planet), we just need to stop protectionism and let the Chinese cars flood in (obviously first wiping the spy tech out of the software).
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Just in principle I don't agree that people should make more wealth from their wealth than people are allowed to from their labour. The higher rates need parity with income tax brackets.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Hamas is a partisan force. Every adult will fight till the occupation is over or till the genocide is completed. You don't leave moderates when you massacre 1/10th of a population (44% of whom were children)
I agree. Everyone with half a brain cell knows we need to ween ourselves off fossil. Even those on extreme righf right merely argue about the timescales rather than the end goal of being fossil-free. European and Japanese manufacturers claim they can't mass produce EVs at competitive prices and that we should do something about it.
The reality is that they've sat on it. Tesla introduced the first mass consumer EVs into the European market and started eating into the premium executive saloon and crossover SUV markets with their model 3 and Y range. This happened around 2015. BMW, Audi Mercedes and Lexus (key competitors in Tesla's target market) were slow to react, likely dismissing Tesla as a threat. Chinese owned Polestar became Tesla's prime competitor in this space.
They're the equivalent of Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Blackberry looking at what Apple and Samsung were doing with mobile phone technology in the 2000s and going "nah, will never catch on, people will want buttons and a small screen".
Meanwhile, brands like Vauxhall, Nissan, Ford etc felt they were safe, as Tesla wasn't competing in their soace. They sat on it and then in 2020, SAIC in China decided to use the MG brand they had the licence to, to launch a range of affordable hatchback and SUV EVs into the European and global market.
MG were the fastest selling car brand in the UK in 2023.
You've now got a situation where those that are taking the plunge to purchase an EV are choosing a Tesla or Polestar if they're in that premium mass consumer space or an MG in that family runaround space. The main threat to the early leaders in EV technology is not coming from traditional European and Japanese brands, but a push from Chinese brand BYD to break those markets.
Then the only remaining option is to kill terrorists faster than they can grow them. I bet Israel can.
Yes and the problem is that Hamas and most Palestinians see "the occupation" as being not just the bits of land Israel is occupying outside of the original mandate boundaries, but they see Israel's existence as an occupation. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is their mantra.
The sales of EVs won't properly take off until the infrastructure for charging is in place in the big markets and the next generation of batteries are ready for mass production. They'll hopefully be cheaper, have better capacity and be fully recyclable. Toyota and Honda are both getting there, albeit slowly. Toyota have gone for hybrids with the current battery technology and that's probably what I'd look at if I needed a new car now.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
You deliberately ignored a) the at any cost to anyone else part & b) the inference that a sky GHod telling them they had the right to live where they want gave them primacy over anyone else's right to live where they want.
By your statement everyone has the right to live where they want (which i agree is fair) so the Palestinians have the same rights to all of the roman province (to take some arbitrary historical date line) of, say, Palestine as the Jews have to their biblical home borders of Judea and Samaria.
What kind of person, indeed, would dispute or try to stop the Palestinians?
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
By killing them before they can become terrorists? That would be the only way. Kill them as children to avoid the potentiality of them becoming terrorists.
Wow. Sounds like eugenics to me.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
Stop illegal occupation of land that doesn't belong to you (except vis the words of your very particular sky GHod from a very long time ago).
Respect international law.
Hold your nose and engage in good faith in a forward looking solution to the situation politically.
Allow meaningful development and aid within the Palestinian lands so that poverty is reduced and dependency on the one organisation co-ordinating education and relief is politically side-lined.
Don't keep the population at just above starvation dependency.
Don't turn a blind eye or even positively allow the supplying of arms and monies to the terrorist organisation you claim to be fighting just so you have a bogeyman enemy to unite your followers against.
Gosh so many ways to eliminate Hamas without killing 10s of thousands of civilians.
Doesn't result in prime real estate for Israelis though.
EV car sales have properly taken off. EVs accounted for 19% of new car registrations in the UK so far in 2024, not far off the government target for 2024 of 22%. Infrastructure is getting there and isn't the obstacle. You say Toyota and Honda have gone for hybrids due to current battery technology. The current battery technology is there. You can buy a Tesla model 3 long range for £45K that will give you over 436 miles of range.(single motor version).
At the other end you can buy an MG4 extended range that will give you 323 miles for £35K.
This "battery technology/infrastructure" argument is gonads from manufacturers playing catch up after being caught with their pants down.
Your stance is very one-eyed though. While Israel should do those things, you can't expect them to while not expecting the same things of the other side.
Because Palestinian hardliner's have their own adherence to (your words) imaginary sky GHod books from long ago that tell them that every bit of what is now Israel is their land and if they don't fight and defeat the occupiers they won't be able to join their imaginary sky GHod in the imaginary after party.
So until everyone removes themselves from the "I'm on their side" mentality, guess what? It ain't ever going to end.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
And your entitled to your principles.
But people making money from their wealth is what helps medical companies do research.
A lot of people myself included invest in companies for a return on our investments and it is also what helps with medical breakthroughs.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
Don't disagree that Palestinians need to do something too but the question I was answering was how do you eliminate Hamas and the answer there is to make them irrelevant.
Palestinians need to accept the state of Israel and its right to exist (probably with modifications to the 1967 borders). It needs to separate itself from Hamas/Hezbollah and from other proxy Iranian forces.
The Palestinians have the right to live anywhere they want. As far as I know, nobody is stopping that.
They don't have what you describe as rights to any land as they're not a real country. If they stop voting for terrorists then hopefully one day they can be
I didn't say any of that. I said that Israel can kill Hamas terrorists faster than they can make them.
Ok, so Israelis want security (the reason for pushing borders further away from central locations) and Palestinians want land (I'll take your word for that for the sake of discussion).
So how about a deal whereby we go back to the 1967 borders of Israel and remove all settlements since then? That gives Palestinians the land but it doesn't give Israelis security.
So how about we attach a clause to that land giveaway that reverts all of Palestine to Israel control the moment a rocket is fired into or towards Israel. You ok with that?
After all, Palestinians just want their land back and don't hate Jews just for being Jews. So they won't be attacking ever again if they get their land back right?