Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[MartyFunkhouser]

A lot of it was noise as although it was behaviour that was unbefitting of public servants at such a high level there was no resulting implication or action relating to serious criminal or civil misconduct.

He wasn't under criminal investigation when vetted and appointed but he was heavily linked to Epstein who WAS subject to ongoing investigations in the US relating to his global political links and the UK criminal investigation arose out of the files disclosed by US authorities.

You know the Johnson government was appauling and i am never going to vote conservative again precisely because of the conduct of that government.

However, those towards the left really need to take their heads out of the sand - for all the talk of corruption in the tory party the only evidence of serious and criminal misconduct on a corruption level currently being investigated by UK authorities relate to the Labour government of 1997-2010 (one of the central suspects of which was an advisor to Starmer and was subsequently appointed by the current Labour government to a prestigious political position - the other central suspect being Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor who had been appointed as trade envoy by Labour govt of the same era) and the SNP, resulting in formal charges being brought against Nicola Sturgeon's husband and party Chief Executive.

This bloke doesnt get it, we all think Starmer is a cnut, we all think Bojo was a cnut, no one in playing one upmanship on either from what I could tell.

This is argument in an elevator stuff.

Its also typically "I dont like them....
But"

 

[monkeybarry]

I’m personally sick to death of the resignation calls everywhere when something goes wrong.

Police chiefs get sacked when a lunatic goes on a killing spree. A fire phalanx commander to be sacked when a house burns down. A headteacher to stand down because the parents send in untoilet trained unruly kids.

A prime minister to be sacked because he appointed someone with perverted friends to go work with one of those perverts.

There is no resilience in this country and leaders can’t lead because of events not because of policy.

Exactly this.

 

[monkeybarry]

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His team is the cabinet.

This is a question about the vetting process and stakeholder communication.
It's a civil service failure (if MPs were not informed). If so, that'll be dealt with in line with the Civil Service code

It's a Steamer failure if it's cabinet related.

If Starmer knew, then it's his failure and undermines his integrity. In which case, he should go. But it doesn't seem like that is the case.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

His team is the cabinet.

This is a question about the vetting process and stakeholder communication.
It's a civil service failure (if MPs were not informed). If so, that'll be dealt with in line with the Civil Service code

It's a Steamer failure if it's cabinet related.

If Starmer knew, then it's his failure and undermines his integrity. In which case, he should go. But it doesn't seem like that is the case.

But apparently the Civil Service vetting team is not allowed to tell No 10 whether someone has failed* as it is confidential, they can only advise whether approval is given or not.

* Listening earlier to a former senior civil service employee who was previously involved in the vetting process, he said that it’s not actually a case of “pass” or “fail”. Once all the investigations have taken place it is then a judgement call within the FCO as to whether or not the appointment is approved. Who makes that call depends on the level of person being assessed and the position. In this case it went right to the top given the person involved and the importance of the role.

 

[johnola]

If it was the only dodgy looking thing he had done I would have said I agree, it's not, he has stumbled from one scandal to another

Compare and contrast with Donald Trump.

Scandals. FFS.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

It's quite funny the level of scandal and 'corruption' that needles us.

Gawd knows how an American feels about Trump? ....be hard to keep up!

 

[WillWeEverBeGoodAgain]

Compare and contrast with Donald Trump.

Scandals. FFS.

We're in the UK, I couldn't give a fudge about the clown Donald, I'm interested in how this country is run or not

 

[LutonSpurs]

The irony of you posting something accusing someone of an error related to Jimmy Savile whilst your avatar is of one of his greatest supporters and you link that to 'when will we be great again'. Immense work.

having said that Starmer has responsibility for the things he, possibly deliberately, didn't know.

This post should be saved. Saville friends are OK. Epstein ones aren't. Based on the party they lead.

Proof of?

Not really caring about the noncery.

Or just really dim.

 

[monkeybarry]

But apparently the Civil Service vetting team is not allowed to tell No 10 whether someone has failed* as it is confidential, they can only advise whether approval is given or not.

* Listening earlier to a former senior civil service employee who was previously involved in the vetting process, he said that it’s not actually a case of “pass” or “fail”. Once all the investigations have taken place it is then a judgement call within the FCO as to whether or not the appointment is approved. Who makes that call depends on the level of person being assessed and the position. In this case it went right to the top given the person involved and the importance of the role.

That is correct, yes.

It is a pass Vs fail, but the criteria are not binary - so the standards are different and appropriate to each appointment. Vetting is just a risk assessment.

And yes re; not telling no.10 re the reason. They would just communicate that the appointment wasn't successful.