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Pav Contract Extention - Why is the Question ???

DanishWhite said:
Indeed. Like a late Raziak.

Incredible that people slag those limited signings (who are often dirt cheap overall), when the fan favourites like say our attacking 4-5 of Bale, Modric, VdV, Ade and Lennon escape all attention. After all, we wouldn't want to slag our faves, would we ?
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Those are receiving their fair dos in other threads. This was merely a comparison between Pav and his replacement like for like, and our general transfer policy of late. Nothing to do with team form, etc.
 
ArcspacE said:
Those are receiving their fair dos in other threads. This was merely a comparison between Pav and his replacement like for like, and our general transfer policy of late. Nothing to do with team form, etc.
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I don't think he was a like-for-like replacement.

If he was, he'd be signed for 12-18 million ?ú from a foreign league with international reputation but with significant settling down time risks.

Saha is a PL veteran, was cheap and has a limited horisont of use, which may in fact already be over at this level. We knew what we got, which on his late Everton form wasn't much.

Poor transfer choices (hello Redknapp) and poor transfer deal timing (hello Levy). Nothing new under the sun there.

We are now in a situation, where the manager relies completely each game on players he doesn't really rate as super subs (Hello Giovani).
 
Personally I see Saha getting another year at Spurs with Defoe being sold on. It's what would make sense to Levy with Defoe's contract running out in 2014 and him hitting 30 soon.
 
zin said:
Personally I see Saha getting another year at Spurs with Defoe being sold on. It's what would make sense to Levy with Defoe's contract running out in 2014 and him hitting 30 soon.
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On what basis? He is injury prone and a very average player. Does not score a lot of goals and is incapable of holding the ball up
 
I hope Saha leaves in June along with around a dozen other nothing players clogging up our wage bill. They can still forge decent careers elsewhere but have no place / match to our aspirations

We can do a lot better than him. In fact - we absolutely must
 
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zin said:
Christ, a total of 5 games of football and a decision on Saha has already made that he's brick. Harsh.

I guess people have also forgotten the knee and groin strains Pav got this season too, keeping him out for around 6 weeks.
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If he were any good do you really think Everton would have paid him up in a hurry just to get him out of their club so they could bring in a decent striker? Something we obviously failed to do
 
zin said:
Saha is a 1 in 3 striker. Exactly what he is scoring for us. Same as Jermain Defoe, same as Roman Pavlyuchenko, same as Robbie Keane, same as Emmanuel Adebayor. Enough with the irrational hate of anything you set your mind on FFS. There's no middle ground with you.
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And therein lies the rub, because we have been overtaken in the league by Saudi Sportswashing Machine, a team with a natural goal scorer
 
DanishWhite said:
This thread is a bit of a romaticist revisionism.

Selling him was great business. This is 2012. Strikers need to work very hard in all sorts of semi- and full out lone-striker-systems.

Like Defoe Pav thrived in systems with outright strikepartnerships, because he was a limited all round player. That's cool, but it's not suited to Spurs and perhaps not to the PL at all anymore.
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Again therein lies the rub, the complete and utter failure of "management" to bring in the right kind of striker we need.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
On what basis? He is injury prone and a very average player. Does not score a lot of goals and is incapable of holding the ball up
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I mis-read your question. I actually answered it in the same thing you were quoting.

Personally I see Saha getting another year at Spurs with Defoe being sold on. It's what would make sense to Levy with Defoe's contract running out in 2014 and him hitting 30 soon.
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Unless you expect us to get rid of Adebayor, Defoe AND Saha and try and get 3 replacement in instead of 2?
 
ArcspacE said:
I hope Saha leaves in June along with around a dozen other nothing players clogging up our wage bill. They can still forge decent careers elsewhere but have no place / match to our aspirations

We can do a lot better than him. In fact - we absolutely must
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They really are an awful lot, aren't they ?

Saha
Bentley
Jenas
Krancjar
Corluka
Bassong
Gomes
Carlo (?)
(a list of players, who most posters would agree have no role to play or will leave anyway)

Add to that, that someone like Defoe is unlikely to stay (and who can blame him, it's an unhappy match for both parties) and that PL loanees like Naughton are likely to go as well if they can't get another PL level loan. Or want to.

And then there is Modric who is 100% to leave if we don't get CL football, while Bale said last year he'll consider offers if Modric goes.

And King, who doesn't look like a contract renewal to me.

And will Ade take another loan or even a transfer to us then ? Doubtful.

Someone make an estimate of the weekly wages of that lot. Leaves a bunch of money in the budget.

And some positions impossible to fill again with like-for-like replacements, let alone improvements.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Again therein lies the rub, the complete and utter failure of "management" to bring in the right kind of striker we need.
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It does indeed.

It's amusing how many pundits and poster alike, who don't have a clue about football tactics think that a #10 is a luxury player, a position which demands a team to be built around it. Well, the exact same thing can be said about that classic poacher in a 4-4-2.

Defoe is basically left to adapt or to leave. It's harsh and it's not fair on him but it's reality.

Ultimately, when Harry made up his mind to play a lone-striker-formation Defoe should be shown the writing on the wall and be allowed to leave, with a replacement being brought in instantly. Defoe is not happy and who can blame him, the team is not a one man team completely dependant on Ade and any changes in the position requires a complete formation change.

All the managers responsibility - hands down.
 
It was not a mistake. He was good in his first two seasons. Since then, he was a donkey! On top of that, he clearly didn't try in most games. His work rate is appaliing!

It's funny how players like him and Defoe get hero status when they're not in the team.
 
Jurgen the German said:
It was not a mistake. He was good in his first two seasons. Since then, he was a donkey! On top of that, he clearly didn't try in most games. His work rate is appaliing!

It's funny how players like him and Defoe get hero status when they're not in the team.
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I don't think that he was even good in his first two seasons. The only sustained run of good form that I can remember him having was about ten games in spring two years ago. Other than that, he has largely been a passenger.
 
Jurgen the German said:
It was not a mistake. He was good in his first two seasons. Since then, he was a donkey! On top of that, he clearly didn't try in most games. His work rate is appaliing!

It's funny how players like him and Defoe get hero status when they're not in the team.
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Defoe has scored his goals this season playing with a big striker. It is just foolishness expecting him to spark in a 451, he is simply not that kind of player, especially when we seem to lump the ball forward to him in the air. No surprise that in his last two occasions the one decent through ball on the ground to run on to he scored from
 
DanishWhite said:
They really are an awful lot, aren't they ?

Saha
Bentley
Jenas
Krancjar
Corluka
Bassong
Gomes
Carlo (?)
(a list of players, who most posters would agree have no role to play or will leave anyway)

Add to that, that someone like Defoe is unlikely to stay (and who can blame him, it's an unhappy match for both parties) and that PL loanees like Naughton are likely to go as well if they can't get another PL level loan. Or want to.

And then there is Modric who is 100% to leave if we don't get CL football, while Bale said last year he'll consider offers if Modric goes.

And King, who doesn't look like a contract renewal to me.

And will Ade take another loan or even a transfer to us then ? Doubtful.

Someone make an estimate of the weekly wages of that lot. Leaves a bunch of money in the budget.

And some positions impossible to fill again with like-for-like replacements, let alone improvements.
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Yeah they are rubbish, half of them awful lot played a massive part in us finishing fourth,
 
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