***OMT Tottenham Hotspur vs. Lesstarrr ***

[Kandi1977]

Goal of the season was a bit brick. A lot of very similar long shots. Only the Halle, Lamela and Cavani ones stood out.

Cavani will win, even though it was offside.

 

[Aldo]

Cavani will win, even though it was offside.

He didn't. Lamela won.

 

[Kandi1977]

I'm against advantage to the attacker, defending is football too.

That's not the point. Football is entertainment, and people want goals. If every game ended 0-0, no one would watch it.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

That's not the point. Football is entertainment, and people want goals. If every game ended 0-0, no one would watch it.

Except Baleforce, obvs.

 

[Baleforce]

That's not the point. Football is entertainment, and people want goals. If every game ended 0-0, no one would watch it.

Not everyone looks at it that way, there needs to be balance, if every game finished 5-4 nobody would watch that either. Goals have to have value.

A good tackle or save is just as entertaining as a good goal.

 

[lurker of old]

if every game finished 5-4 nobody would watch that either.
Not sure you are right on that one....

 

[Kandi1977]

if every game finished 5-4 nobody would watch that either.
Not sure you are right on that one....

Nah.... Rather a 0-0 with lots of beautiful zonal marking and offside traps, than a boring 5-4 game full of attacking football. Who the hell wants to see that many goals?

 

[DubSpur]

It's all about how your fouls look these days. Keep them niggly and unclear and you get off. Toby leaving his leg where it was, with a bit of a wobble, was clear visually. He didn't hardly move his leg from where it was already. But visually it looked clear in slow mo. Bergwijn has his arm folded into the defender. Its tight to the body, and visually its a mess of limbs. Without theatrics there is no clear visual image. Vardy, has less claim than Bergwijn, but he masterfully creates a clear visual image with a nice dive and roll.

Var needs work there is no doubt. Seems to work in Rugby. Why have we made such a mess of it in football?

They could learn a lot from rugby. There's great communication between the VAR official and the on pitch team. They discuss the incident properly and the fact that they can be heard allows everyone to know how they arrived at their decision and makes it easier to accept, even the times that you don't agree.

In football we have the the amazing communication of "have a look at the monitor".

 

[FatBloke]

They could learn a lot from rugby. There's great communication between the VAR official and the on pitch team. They discuss the incident properly and the fact that they can be heard allows everyone to know how they arrived at their decision and makes it easier to accept, even the times that you don't agree.

In football we have the the amazing communication of "have a look at the monitor".

This. They, and the cricket 3rd umpire, don't have anything to hide. And the fans respect that. I honestly don't think you'll find a single cricket or rugby fan arguing against DRS making their game better. No matter how annoying an individual decision against your team can be.

Whereas you feel that there's always some agenda with football VAR, some narrative about certain players going down easy, etc.

But of course there's all the bleating about rugby being a set piece game, so VAR can't be used in the same way. Well, just look how much it's broken the flow of the game, OUR game, this season and last.

Key to it, IMHO, is the concept of umpire's call. The primary decision should be from the ref or lino. If VAR sees anything clear and obvious to contradict them, it can overrule. Or ask the ref to take a look. On the flip side, the ref should still be able to ask the VAR man to look at an incident.

 

[FatBloke]

Cavani will win, even though it was offside.

That's what I thought, especially once the replays revealed that Fernandes didn't touch the ball. However, I was wrong as you can't be offside from a goal kick.

 

[Seedy Ron]

That's what I thought, especially once the replays revealed that Fernandes didn't touch the ball. However, I was wrong as you can't be offside from a goal kick.

It wasn't a goal kick

 

[FatBloke]

It wasn't a goal kick

Was it not? Long punt by the keeper from open play then? Can't be arsed to watch it again so I'll take your word for it and stand corrected!

 

[MKSpur]

Was it not? Long punt by the keeper from open play then? Can't be arsed to watch it again so I'll take your word for it and stand corrected!

 

[greatwhitenorf]

Bizarrely I think we're going to win this quite comfortably. I think the ghost of last season is making Leicester crumble, while we are already at the bottom and have nothing to lose.

That aged quite well. Moreso considering Rodgers locked himself into the Lesstarrr job while spurning the Spurs offer. Pimms all around.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

They could learn a lot from rugby. There's great communication between the VAR official and the on pitch team. They discuss the incident properly and the fact that they can be heard allows everyone to know how they arrived at their decision and makes it easier to accept, even the times that you don't agree.

In football we have the the amazing communication of "have a look at the monitor".

In most other sports followers and players are prepared to accept the occasional wrong decision without crying about or just looking at it from a partisan point of view. There will always be mistakes, football just need to improve the standard of their officials using the system. Although it might be drastic it might be useful to know how decisions were made public.

 

[Raziel]

In most other sports followers and players are prepared to accept the occasional wrong decision without crying about or just looking at it from a partisan point of view. There will always be mistakes, football just need to improve the standard of their officials using the system. Although it might be drastic it might be useful to know how decisions were made public.

It's the acknowledgement and at least appearance of a plan to improve

The problem isn't purely the mistakes (all though some have been really bad), it's the lack of acknowledging the mistake, hence it appears no attempt will be made to prevent future occurrences, improve future decisions.

 

[elltrev]

Personally I think a big part of the issue in football is that a) there are huge grey areas in terms of what constitutes a foul, and b) those grey areas are now even harder to navigate because players constantly exaggerate their response to physical contact, so it’s impossible to see how genuinely impeding the contact was.

Don’t get me wrong - the implementation of VAR could be better - but I think there will always be loads of borderline decisions that people will disagree on.

 

[lurker of old]

Jamie Vardy seems to have made cheating his way to a penalty into his own special master talent. Not meaning his pens on Sunday, but he has a habit of running straight at a defender, clashing his leg with the defender's leg, and then falling down. Based on penalties won, it is a highly effective strategy.

 

[Raziel]

Jamie Vardy seems to have made cheating his way to a penalty into his own special master talent. Not meaning his pens on Sunday, but he has a habit of running straight at a defender, clashing his leg with the defender's leg, and then falling down. Based on penalties won, it is a highly effective strategy.

On Sunday

- First penalty, Toby is stupid but there is one angle that clearly shows Vardy was not going to connect with Toby, moves his foot out to his left to purposely trip and fall (absolutely playing for the foul, grey area both ethically and in rules of game)
- Second penalty, Vardy instigates and grabs Sanchez, then takes the fall -> it's actually a foul on Sanchez, a dive and simulation. How the fudge VAR couldn't even recommend the ref take a second look is absolutely beyond me, and decisions like this will bring the cheating/bias/incompetence conversation to the top every time.

 

[parklane1]

On Sunday

- First penalty, Toby is stupid but there is one angle that clearly shows Vardy was not going to connect with Toby, moves his foot out to his left to purposely trip and fall (absolutely playing for the foul, grey area both ethically and in rules of game)
- Second penalty, Vardy instigates and grabs Sanchez, then takes the fall -> it's actually a foul on Sanchez, a dive and simulation. How the fudge VAR couldn't even recommend the ref take a second look is absolutely beyond me, and decisions like this will bring the cheating/bias/incompetence conversation to the top every time.

I have no problem with the first Pen Toby stuck his foot back and it was a clear penalty, however the second one was a foul by Vardy on Sanchez. VAR is a joke and IF they looked at the second penalty it was as clear as day that it should not have been.