Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Toby is better on the ball.
Shame he can’t jump when we get attacked in the air
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Shame he can’t jump when we get attacked in the air
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Luka Modric
So, you agree with me that ideally we need two new central defenders then?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Dier is a CB. His first job is defending. He does that well. His passing sing as bad as people think except when he tries high risk passes. Generally it’s to midfielders and at range. So if we concede from them then we will have and several opportunities to stop the attack
The other players are either meant to be creative or all rounders (as in midfielders)
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
No
I’m happy with Dier who defends. I’m not anti Toby who has had some very good games lately
We need players who can play with the ball though. CBS aren’t on the pitch for that. So as Iong as they do their defending well I’m fine with that
The pressing issue is where the ball goes to die for us. It’s certain areas of midfield and attacking which then creates a turnaround which means we get deeper and under more pressure
Junior19
Øyvind Leonhardsen
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/30/Show/England-Tottenham#team-squad-stats-passing
I think you can agree that 82,1% pass completion is quite a bit better than 76,6.
Isolated stats alone don't mean much, though.
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Luka Modric
Watching us play Liverpool in midweek and be genuinely impressed with the way that Liverpool played, I couldn’t help wonder what it was that stopped us playing like that?
In Aurier and Regulion we have two full backs ideally suited to playing the way that TAA and Robertson do. In Kane, Son and Bergwijn/Moura/Bale we have forwards suited to playing like Firminho, Mane and Salah and in Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Dele, Sissoko, Lamela and Winks we should be able to find three midfield players capable of playing the high energy, fast paced football and pressing that Liverpool’s midfield offer them. With our attacking talent we would frighten teams into not daring attack us (as happens with Liverpool). What is it that is stopping us from playing that effective (and entertaining) way?
In Aurier and Regulion we have two full backs ideally suited to playing the way that TAA and Robertson do. In Kane, Son and Bergwijn/Moura/Bale we have forwards suited to playing like Firminho, Mane and Salah and in Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Dele, Sissoko, Lamela and Winks we should be able to find three midfield players capable of playing the high energy, fast paced football and pressing that Liverpool’s midfield offer them. With our attacking talent we would frighten teams into not daring attack us (as happens with Liverpool). What is it that is stopping us from playing that effective (and entertaining) way?
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Luka Modric
Davidson Sanchez has 84.4% pass completion.... Moussa Sissoko has 85.3%...
Merely proving your last sentence.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
The problem with stats... that makes it look like Sanchez can pass. My eyes tell me he can if it’s over 5 yards and sideways
Junior19
Øyvind Leonhardsen
I'd say it's the lack of pace in centrebacks, and perhaps a tiny bit of lack of cohoñes.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I agree
But they have midfielders who are happy with the ball. Their forwards hold the ball too
We have too many players who cannot deal with the ball at their feet
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Luka Modric
If you think simply putting in a better ball player than Sissoko (which I assume you are getting at?) fixes our paucity of attacking play then I think you are misguided. It is hard for even a big punching heavyweight to knock out his opponent when he is fighting on the back foot. Our line, which is set by our centre halves (I assume at the manager’s orders) has this big punching heavyweight firmly on the back foot. We’ve played rope a dope pretty well so far this season, but I think our opponents are now getting wise to it.
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Luka Modric
Hence my desperate wanting of a new centre back.
Junior19
Øyvind Leonhardsen
Yes, thus also making your comparison of Davies and Dier quite a mute one...
They are different players, with different tasks, comparing them by one isolated statistic without factoring in their duties is not going to give any meaningful answer.
You can say a lot about Sissoko, but he ain't no Tom Huddlestone, nor has he ever tried to be. Nor is he a Luka Modric, or a Rafael Van Der Vaart. Yet he is measured by the same stats, and judging by some of them, he should be a contender for the FIFA-awards, team of the year. We know of course that he is nowhere near that.
Stats are only as good as the analysis of them. Stats alone, useless.
Junior19
Øyvind Leonhardsen
I agree, but as much as I hate to say it, I think it would be Toby who is being replaced. Love him to bits, but he is not the future.
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Luka Modric
What comparison of Davies and Dier? You’ve lost me mate?Yes, thus also making your comparison of Davies and Dier quite a mute one...
They are different players, with different tasks, comparing them by one isolated statistic without factoring in their duties is not going to give any meaningful answer.
You can say a lot about Sissoko, but he ain't no Tom Huddlestone, nor has he ever tried to be. Nor is he a Luka Modric, or a Rafael Van Der Vaart. Yet he is measured by the same stats, and judging by some of them, he should be a contender for the FIFA-awards, team of the year. We know of course that he is nowhere near that.
Stats are only as good as the analysis of them. Stats alone, useless.
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Luka Modric
If it’s with a pacy player who can get us up the pitch, then great.... I think he’ll also have to be a good passer of the ball as well so that the onus isn’t on Dier.... probably also makes sense for them to be left footed so that Dier can move to the right of the pair and then play the majority of passes with his stronger foot (playing on the left might be making him look worse than he actually is here).
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Øyvind Leonhardsen
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Or play Rodon who appeared to to have those attributes with Dier
but my issue stands
we would get turned over more and more and be caught out if we have midfielders who can’t hold the ball for us. We have a CM whose sole attribute is his ability to stop the opposition but by default it stops us playing
this still reminds me of last year when you said fixing CM would fix the full backs. We literally have CMs covering the full backs who strangely now don’t attack for fear of being caught out as the midfielder can’t pass the ball to them
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Luka Modric
Oh I see. Sorry, yes. He posted about 3 players I think and I consider Dier to be in that same category in terms of passing ability.