El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I was in the stands giving the referee abuse. Seemed like he wasn't a fan.,
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***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Monaco***
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I was in the stands giving the referee abuse. Seemed like he wasn't a fan.,
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Nah. There were some bad performances (Kane and Alli being the two worst performers, imo), and we conceded two really stupid goals (at this level) that we ultimately couldn't come back from, but overall, we put up a decent fight against an indubitably talented side, and it could have gone the other way on another day. Just a bit of a disappointment in light of the pomp and ceremony surrounding this match, and something for Poch to work on in the days and weeks ahead. I'm not yet sloshed, so @Daisuk isn't 100% right - but I definitely intend to be shortly.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
I think Poch was undone by trying to incorporate Son, tbf we looked unplayable with only one DM against Stoke. But yes, in hindsight two would have been better. That said, if Son or Kane had taken one of those excellent early chances, or Lamela not tried the nutmeg, or Verts showed his man outside...etc... Just wasn't our night.
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inkpenspur
Allan Nielsen
Or Harry blasting straight at the keeper on the 80th minute....
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Nah. There were some bad performances (Kane and Alli being the two worst performers, imo), and we conceded two really stupid goals (at this level) that we ultimately couldn't come back from, but overall, we put up a decent fight against an indubitably talented side, and it could have gone the other way on another day. Just a bit of a disappointment in light of the pomp and ceremony surrounding this match, and something for Poch to work on in the days and weeks ahead. I'm not yet sloshed, so @Daisuk isn't 100% right - but I definitely intend to be shortly.
So you agree then?!
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Serge Aurier
I had a few don't worry. Row 1 club wembley and some clam kept telling me to sit down when we were attacking. Bell.
Well that was brick and don't get me started on the journey home. Wembley sucks!
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Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Were they serving booze in club Wembley?
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Serge Aurier
Yes mate. Before and at half time.
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90291Spur
Paul Walsh
Tottenham can’t blame Wembley, they were simply outclassed by Monaco
It was an apt defeat, for the culture shock wasn’t about moving up the road, it was about Spurs finding themselves in elite European football
Tottenham can’t blame Wembley, they were simply outclassed by Monaco
Barney Ronay at Wembley
@barneyronay
Wednesday 14 September 2016
Don’t blame Wembley. Don’t blame the spiffy dressing rooms or the slightly different tone and timbre of the noise around those deeply tiered stands on a close, sweaty night in London.
In many ways Tottenham’s 2-1 opening Group E defeat to an excellent Monaco team was perfectly apt, entirely at home in its surroundings, a fine metaphor for the Premier League’s wider engagement with elite level European football. Wonderful staging. Endless hunger for the spectacle, with that record crowd announced over the PA even as Spurs attacked at the end. All combined with a sense of something a little unsettled, of trapped energy and talent as-yet unexpressed.
Tottenham might have equalised at the death, although Monaco always seemed to have strength in reserve behind their guard, the bite on the break to keep Kyle Walker and Ben Davies pinned back, and Eric Dier in his shuttling role when Pochettino might have gambled earlier with all-out attack.
Don’t blame Wembley, though. The culture shock for Tottenham here wasn’t moving a few miles up the road, the quality of the Wembley loam or the glossy showers. It was instead an early intake of breath at finding themselves in the clean, clear air of elite club football competition, where the details are worked relentlessly, where any moment of slackness is exposed.
If Spurs stuttered in those early moments it was because they came across opponents who played a compact, adaptable game, who came primed for the fury of Spurs’ pressing, but ready also to look for the gaps behind. Against this, nine of 13 Spurs players used were making their Champions League debuts. If Dele Alli, for example, looked at times a little lost between the dense Monaco lines this wasn’t to do with having an extra two yards of pitch to run into, or opponents allegedly “inspired” by the borrowed splendour of our imperial footballing home (funny how this never works the other way, our brave boys booing the Bernabeu, romping about the Nou Camp). The fact is for all the glimpses of power and grace, two years ago almost to the day Ali was being subbed off early in the second half as MK Dons beat Barnsley in League One.
It is the air around them this young team must grow used to rather than a Wembley stadium that had been nicely Spurs-ified for this first date. The arch was lit in club white. The home fans also came in white, a honeymoon-suite tribute to Spurs’ own traditional white European kit on their big opening night. There were Spurs-branded stencils on every surface and even down on the concourse a “Welcome to Tottenham Hotspur” arch, raising the notion of Tottenham Hotspur as a moveable feast, an abstract idea, a state of mind.
Don’t blame Wembley! Spurs were just little callow in that first half, unable to assert their smothering press on opponents who passed the ball slickly and who moved well off it. Spurs had disposed of Monaco easily enough in the Europa League last year. But this is an upgraded version in Leonardo Jardim’s third season, cute enough to beat Paris Saint-Germain 3-1 at home two weeks ago while having just 33% of possession.
Wembley was a little lukewarm only in the pre-match moments, a stadium that often feels part shopping mall, part exhibition centre. Steadily though the seats filled, the noise picked up, the crackle of genuine event glamour in the air as the Champions League “anthem” was played at an insistent volume.
Pochettino had picked an adventurous lineup, with Alli and Eric Dier in central midfield and Christian Eriksen and Harry Kane completing a startlingly youthful forward spine for a game of this scale. In the event Spurs went behind to a terribly soft goal. Erik Lamela gave the ball away cheaply. Just as disappointing was Spurs’ brittleness through the centre, with Bernardo Silva able to groove forward, look up and curl a wonderful shot into the far corner. The second came soon after. Bernardo’s back-heel from the corner flag was almost satirically casual. The cross hit Davies, bounced and was lashed in.
To their credit Spurs did rally. They were helped along by Wembley itself, which produced a great rolling cheer for Toby Alderweireld’s bullet header past Danijel Subasic from Lamela’s corner just before half-time, before roaring the players off down the tunnel. Moussa Dembele, the best all-round midfielder at the club, came into the centre at half-time. The balance was better straight away, with Alli free to scuttle about linking with Kane, those wandering instincts an asset rather than an open door against opponents this canny.
Pochettino was phlegmatic, pointedly praising his opponents for their ruthlessness. Tottenham are far form out of this group. Perhaps they can even take heart from a similarly unforgiving home defeat for Emirates Marketing Project against Juventus last season. Either way Spurs will surely be stronger, or at least more focused, gnarlier – in Pochettino’s words “more hungry” – for the experience.
It was an apt defeat, for the culture shock wasn’t about moving up the road, it was about Spurs finding themselves in elite European football
Tottenham can’t blame Wembley, they were simply outclassed by Monaco
Barney Ronay at Wembley
@barneyronay
Wednesday 14 September 2016
Don’t blame Wembley. Don’t blame the spiffy dressing rooms or the slightly different tone and timbre of the noise around those deeply tiered stands on a close, sweaty night in London.
In many ways Tottenham’s 2-1 opening Group E defeat to an excellent Monaco team was perfectly apt, entirely at home in its surroundings, a fine metaphor for the Premier League’s wider engagement with elite level European football. Wonderful staging. Endless hunger for the spectacle, with that record crowd announced over the PA even as Spurs attacked at the end. All combined with a sense of something a little unsettled, of trapped energy and talent as-yet unexpressed.
Tottenham might have equalised at the death, although Monaco always seemed to have strength in reserve behind their guard, the bite on the break to keep Kyle Walker and Ben Davies pinned back, and Eric Dier in his shuttling role when Pochettino might have gambled earlier with all-out attack.
Don’t blame Wembley, though. The culture shock for Tottenham here wasn’t moving a few miles up the road, the quality of the Wembley loam or the glossy showers. It was instead an early intake of breath at finding themselves in the clean, clear air of elite club football competition, where the details are worked relentlessly, where any moment of slackness is exposed.
If Spurs stuttered in those early moments it was because they came across opponents who played a compact, adaptable game, who came primed for the fury of Spurs’ pressing, but ready also to look for the gaps behind. Against this, nine of 13 Spurs players used were making their Champions League debuts. If Dele Alli, for example, looked at times a little lost between the dense Monaco lines this wasn’t to do with having an extra two yards of pitch to run into, or opponents allegedly “inspired” by the borrowed splendour of our imperial footballing home (funny how this never works the other way, our brave boys booing the Bernabeu, romping about the Nou Camp). The fact is for all the glimpses of power and grace, two years ago almost to the day Ali was being subbed off early in the second half as MK Dons beat Barnsley in League One.
It is the air around them this young team must grow used to rather than a Wembley stadium that had been nicely Spurs-ified for this first date. The arch was lit in club white. The home fans also came in white, a honeymoon-suite tribute to Spurs’ own traditional white European kit on their big opening night. There were Spurs-branded stencils on every surface and even down on the concourse a “Welcome to Tottenham Hotspur” arch, raising the notion of Tottenham Hotspur as a moveable feast, an abstract idea, a state of mind.
Don’t blame Wembley! Spurs were just little callow in that first half, unable to assert their smothering press on opponents who passed the ball slickly and who moved well off it. Spurs had disposed of Monaco easily enough in the Europa League last year. But this is an upgraded version in Leonardo Jardim’s third season, cute enough to beat Paris Saint-Germain 3-1 at home two weeks ago while having just 33% of possession.
Wembley was a little lukewarm only in the pre-match moments, a stadium that often feels part shopping mall, part exhibition centre. Steadily though the seats filled, the noise picked up, the crackle of genuine event glamour in the air as the Champions League “anthem” was played at an insistent volume.
Pochettino had picked an adventurous lineup, with Alli and Eric Dier in central midfield and Christian Eriksen and Harry Kane completing a startlingly youthful forward spine for a game of this scale. In the event Spurs went behind to a terribly soft goal. Erik Lamela gave the ball away cheaply. Just as disappointing was Spurs’ brittleness through the centre, with Bernardo Silva able to groove forward, look up and curl a wonderful shot into the far corner. The second came soon after. Bernardo’s back-heel from the corner flag was almost satirically casual. The cross hit Davies, bounced and was lashed in.
To their credit Spurs did rally. They were helped along by Wembley itself, which produced a great rolling cheer for Toby Alderweireld’s bullet header past Danijel Subasic from Lamela’s corner just before half-time, before roaring the players off down the tunnel. Moussa Dembele, the best all-round midfielder at the club, came into the centre at half-time. The balance was better straight away, with Alli free to scuttle about linking with Kane, those wandering instincts an asset rather than an open door against opponents this canny.
Pochettino was phlegmatic, pointedly praising his opponents for their ruthlessness. Tottenham are far form out of this group. Perhaps they can even take heart from a similarly unforgiving home defeat for Emirates Marketing Project against Juventus last season. Either way Spurs will surely be stronger, or at least more focused, gnarlier – in Pochettino’s words “more hungry” – for the experience.
metalgear
Luka Modric
I still think we have a good enough team to beat Monaco. And we can't blame stadium awe when we have played in other large stadiums in England in the EPL.
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Dr Rosenrosen
Ramon Vega
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...uricio-pochettino-accuses-his-players-of-lac/
“We all agree that it was a game that we started well and created chances,” said Pochettino. “Then we concede a goal you cannot concede at this level for Tottenham. It’s difficult to accept. Not only the first, but also the second. 2-0 down was really difficult. We created more chances, more corners, more possession, we were better than Monaco, but they were more effective at both ends.”
Pochettino refused to blame the move to Wembley for the defeat, adding: “It’s too good an excuse. Football is on the pitch, the grass. We showed a lack of passion a little bit today because we cannot concede these goals. That is how we spoke in the changing room. It’s a shame because it was a good chance to give the fans a very good victory.
“We were better than Monaco, but to win we need to show more and be more aggressive because we cannot concede the goals we conceded. I talk about passion, it’s to feel more. It was a fantastic opportunity for us. We fight a lot to get into the Champions League, so why not give more?
“We are talking from the start of the season that we need to improve and learn. We need to work, to show more hunger, we need to show a different image.”
Pochettino refused to blame the move to Wembley for the defeat, adding: “It’s too good an excuse. Football is on the pitch, the grass. We showed a lack of passion a little bit today because we cannot concede these goals. That is how we spoke in the changing room. It’s a shame because it was a good chance to give the fans a very good victory.
“We were better than Monaco, but to win we need to show more and be more aggressive because we cannot concede the goals we conceded. I talk about passion, it’s to feel more. It was a fantastic opportunity for us. We fight a lot to get into the Champions League, so why not give more?
“We are talking from the start of the season that we need to improve and learn. We need to work, to show more hunger, we need to show a different image.”
lurker of old
Ramon Vega
Kane should have equalised and we would all be happy that we came back from 2 nil down. But he blasted his shot at the keeper, which is worrying. We weren't awful but conceded two awful goals and didn't have enough to get the draw we probably deserved.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Just got home! Shame about the result but a very special occasion. Haven't read through the thread but my thoughts were that we should have started one of Dembele or Wanyama in central midfield. Dele is not a threat there, and our attacking line-up didn't respect our opponents I feel. We missed Rose greatly in my opinion and Kane needs a few games on the subs bench.
I'm still confident we'll get out of this group but we need to take our chances at this level, like Monaco did.
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I'm still confident we'll get out of this group but we need to take our chances at this level, like Monaco did.
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Baleforce
Les Bennett
a bit annoyed at the narrative Ronay is suggesting there, tonight wasn't a step up to anything, it was a midweek game against a side we played twice last season who were a lower seed than us
it shouldn't have been any different to the europa league games from a year ago
if any of our players were overawed by wembley (which I don't think was the case) bearing in mind it's the home national team stadium for half of them then we do have problems, likewise if the music and big flag affected anyone's mindset*
tonight was nothing more than a canny away performance and the home side not turning up, Poch seemed pretty peeved in his interviews so he obviously feels that the preparation was correct
*on that note i'm also in disagreement with the idea that these games should be "treated like cup finals", fudge that, you shouldn't treat any game like a cup final (especially cup finals), you should treat each game as part of a greater whole
it shouldn't have been any different to the europa league games from a year ago
if any of our players were overawed by wembley (which I don't think was the case) bearing in mind it's the home national team stadium for half of them then we do have problems, likewise if the music and big flag affected anyone's mindset*
tonight was nothing more than a canny away performance and the home side not turning up, Poch seemed pretty peeved in his interviews so he obviously feels that the preparation was correct
*on that note i'm also in disagreement with the idea that these games should be "treated like cup finals", fudge that, you shouldn't treat any game like a cup final (especially cup finals), you should treat each game as part of a greater whole
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
I can't be arsed to look it up but I have to assume our average age was pretty young, as usual, and that Poch and the lads will learn from this and grow more strongerer.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Now this, if true, is f*cking unforgivable. Lack of fight? In the CL? At Wembley? What bigger stage do these players want to show passion on than this?
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
And whom might be responsible for making sure that the squad is properly prepared, both mentally and physically? Perhaps Senor Poch??
indospurs
Young-Pyo Lee
... and what did most of us think of Lamela in his first season, costing then Spurs record high signing at 30 million ? We aren't a team built of ready made mega stars, but talented youngsters that take time to grow and improve.
Today's fan just think of instant success ignoring the fact that successful teams are built over time. Last time out in the CL we had Modders, Rafa and Charlie who'd been in the CL. Plus we had the King in defense and we had won the Carling Cup a couple of seasons prior, at Wembley.
I think the Wembley factor also means we have to adapt to a new stadium, it's a boost for us but also the team we are hosting. Very happy to see we almost filled it out, just awesome, Levy can see the pound signs, but Poch will have to think of a way to overcome top sides in there, but, more importantly, how to get the lads settled in this atmos.