+++OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool+++

[Sandman]

they have a lot to learn from the refs in Rugby. They discuss it amonst themselves and the TMO then make a decision. The refs back themselves into a corner but they dont have all the angles. Then the VAR does not want to contradict what the ref has done.

The point should be to get the decision correct not who did what and is he wrong. If the Referee in this instance was asked to go to the screen and made his own mind up. Then all good. But that is also an issue. When VAR calls them to the screen they never want to go against the recomendation. So its all ego and backing each other up.

All they should care about is getting the decision wrong.

I watched Match of the day. They did not even go over the foul. So when its us they like to sweep it under the carpet.

That is the second time in 3 weeks a reverse of what has been given against us has been ignored.

 

[paxtonwolf]

Can we get this game replayed? Actually, let sleeping dogs lie.

Nooooooo. Take the point and move on

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

they have a lot to learn from the refs in Rugby. They discuss it amonst themselves and the TMO then make a decision. The refs back themselves into a corner but they dont have all the angles. Then the VAR does not want to contradict what the ref has done.

The point should be to get the decision correct not who did what and is he wrong. If the Referee in this instance was asked to go to the screen and made his own mind up. Then all good. But that is also an issue. When VAR calls them to the screen they never want to go against the recomendation. So its all ego and backing each other up.

All they should care about is getting the decision wrong.

I watched Match of the day. They did not even go over the foul. So when its us they like to sweep it under the carpet.

That is the second time in 3 weeks a reverse of what has been given against us has been ignored.

Totally agreed.

Also, with the technology available today, it shouldn’t be hard at all to categorize contentious incidents and have them be immediately searchable in the VAR room in order to drive more consistency.

Eg ‘goal denied for two hands on the back, let’s quickly search for other two hands on back foul calls this season’ and they can then on balance see where the bar has been established. Equally ‘tug back and denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity’. Oh we had a similar call last week. Oh but this week the striker didn’t fall over. Oh, that doesn’t fudging matter because look the defender in both instances is doing the exact same thing.

I don’t see why this is difficult. It’s only difficult because the objective isn’t fairness and consistency centric, it’s ’how to not make the on field ref look bad’ centric. And it’s ruining the sport.

 

[Muttley]

Totally agreed.

Also, with the technology available today, it shouldn’t be hard at all to categorize contentious incidents and have them be immediately searchable in the VAR room in order to drive more consistency.

Eg ‘goal denied for two hands on the back, let’s quickly search for other two hands on back foul calls this season’ and they can then on balance see where the bar has been established. Equally ‘tug back and denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity’. Oh we had a similar call last week. Oh but this week the striker didn’t fall over. Oh, that doesn’t fudging matter because look the defender in both instances is doing the exact same thing.

I don’t see why this is difficult. It’s only difficult because the objective isn’t fairness and consistency centric, it’s ’how to not make the on field ref look bad’ centric. And it’s ruining the sport.

It's not even as complicated you make out. 2 hands in the back is a foul. All these incidences are fouls. You don't need a library. You just need the laws of the game.

This is why Arsenal went public with their statement. On their example, it was absolutely clear that 2 hands were in the back. It was never a goal but it was given. It was the same with Dragusin a couple of weeks back.

What is needed in the game is for someone to hire a team of analysts to start from the first whistle and analyse every single moment of the match. Count the number of moments where the referee needed to make a decision. Then measure them on whether they got it right based solely on the laws of the game. Keep a record of any that are subjective. What you end up with is the denominator being the laws of the game. The numerator is the referees performance against the laws. Then adding back the subjective decisions, you get a range. My guess is that you'd see something like 60-70% as a referees performance against the laws across the PL. You can then pull out the top 10 incidences on the game and score those as well. You will see that entire results and league tables are impacted.

Of course, when this data is publicised, hell will break loose in the football world. You'll see referees do everything they can to drive their scores up and get up north of 90%. You'll see yellow cards given, you'll see very few games ending with 22 players and you'll see them stop hiding behind the "clear and obvious" BS. You'll then see player and manager behavioural changes to adapt in weeks to refereeing based on the laws of the game. The best thing is, you'll start to see entertaining football again.

If you know any really rich people that care about football, get them to fund this activity and drive the biggest change we could possibly see in football.