***OMT***Tottenham Hotspur FC v West Ham

[Kingdawson]

Who said Arry is a hero?

What has him flirting with the England job got to do with the (false) statement insinuating Arry had no strategy and that he 'got away with it' because of Bale, Modric and VDV?...If someone feels he had 'no strategy' then fair enough but 4th,5th,4th finishes show he did a bit more then "get away with it".

As i've said before some people can't differentiate between his character and his managerial ability. No matter how much they claim they do...they don't (as evidenced just now).

 

[Kingdawson]

Ok Hootnow covered it.

 

[thfcsteff]

Steff mate, I completely agree with you. I wanted Redknapp to go in the end and not because of footballing reasons.

However, I wouldn't say the two are mutually exclusive. I think there has been a bit of a drive recently by those who most disliked Redknapp to discredit his performance as our manager. He was lucky, scraped by, doing the bare minimum (as if our recent past has been scattered with 4th and 5th place finishes. It i also easy to forget that though we didn't win a trophy under him, we came close multiple times. We played good football. He played players in their actual position, rather than the crap Ramos was serving up. He allowed Modric to settle in well and changed how we played based on resources available. AVB gets a lot of credit for Bale's improvement, despite the fact that Redknapp also brought Bale forwards leaps and bounds.

All this doesn't also mean that Redknap's conduct from when Capello was fired was disgraceful. He effectively treated it as a long interview and trial period for the England job. For most people, this would mean doing the best job you could do for your club and then gracefully taking the job at the end of the season. Instead, he took his eyes off the ball and started making comments that indicated that he was already thinking like the England manager. When you fob us off like that and then expect a contract renewal? Sorry Harry, you got to go, regardless of whether AVB was the right choice to replace.

So in my view, he was a great manager for us, who achieved well above and beyond what anyone imagined he ever would. But that doesn't also mean he's not a dingdong who deserved to be moved on after how he acted.

Great post mate…

I agree with everything you've said. I think it's fair to say that some of us in our respective 'corners' have probably found ourselves 'cast' as one or the other, when the truth is that at this point in time, we've all met in the middle.

Again, a fine post.

 

[thfcsteff]

Who said Arry is a hero?

What has him flirting with the England job got to do with the (false) statement insinuating Arry had no strategy and that he 'got away with it' because of Bale, Modric and VDV?...If someone feels he had 'no strategy' then fair enough but 4th,5th,4th finishes show he did a bit more then "get away with it".

As i've said before some people can't differentiate between his character and his managerial ability. No matter how much they claim they do...they don't (as evidenced just now).

I'll answer directly to simply say that as I said to Hootnow in response to his fine post, I suspect that our various 'camps' (so-to-speak) are generally in agreement on much of his era.

I would agree that he had 'some' strategy (for the record I did not say he 'got away with it', though i do believe he enjoyed three fantastic players who would drive any team north) and I would even agree that when he had to he could put together a tactical performance of some nous (Milan away in the CL)…but for me, the unforgivable bits are that he COULD'VE gone all the way (either season IMO) if he'd remained applied, and further, he never took on responsibility.

But again mate, I think we're all closer to agreeing than perhaps we sometimes think.

COYS

 

[thfcsteff]

Thanks for the honest response mate.

I do agree about redknapp, i just find it crazy that some people on here can bash him so much, as if they didn't watch the football we were playing at times under him or saw the positions we finished.

Re Sherwood if I'm honest I've never really warmed to him either however some of the rubbish I've heard spoken about him on here seems completely over the top. Although not one of the worst, you have written opinions about him on here as if you knew a lot more about him then you are now stating you do, this is always dangerous in my opinion.
He certainly made some basic errors vs west ham but honestly the gambles he took on winning that game were ones MANY managers would have made, we would have won it 9 times out of 10. I was there with my brother and we really were so comfy until the last 10, there was a buzz in the stands at half time even though we were yet to score because we came out and tried to play….it was a one off cup game and we treated it as such, if sherwoods tactics were the same on sunday i would understand more what you are saying.

I will be amazed if Levy trusts this expensively assembled squad in the hands of a novice for any real period of time, but in the meantime the vitriol and accusations are simply not needed and are unhelpful. we've had it from sections while harry was in charge, then again under AVB, now your self and gutter boy and others seem to be leading another witch hunt against sherwood….There is such negativity around the club I'm not sure how people expect it to come out the other side at present.

A fine post, agree with all of it to be fair, even if I disagree with Wednesday's match.

I give Sherwood my support because he's our manager, and I agree, we all have to pull together to reverse what is frankly the WORST week I can remember on and off the pitch for approximately a decade.

 

[unit kaboom]

A fine post, agree with all of it to be fair, even if I disagree with Wednesday's match.

I give Sherwood my support because he's our manager, and I agree, we all have to pull together to reverse what is frankly the WORST week I can remember on and off the pitch for approximately a decade.

It just feels as if we haven't had harmony at our club for a while. We were great under redknapp for large periods yet the hate for Harry continued from large sections of our support. Again the same under AVB last year even if we were winning. Now Sherwood is receiving even worse then the two and he has had one game, imagine how the negativity will build over the season unless we are winning every week.
You clearly cannot please everyone, especially when it comes to spurs but the infighting at our club needs to stop for us to progress, it's dragging us down!

 

[Pirate55]

It just feels as if we haven't had harmony at our club for a while. We were great under redknapp for large periods yet the hate for Harry continued from large sections of our support. Again the same under AVB last year even if we were winning. Now Sherwood is receiving even worse then the two and he has had one game, imagine how the negativity will build over the season unless we are winning every week.
You clearly cannot please everyone, especially when it comes to spurs but the infighting at our club needs to stop for us to progress, it's dragging us down!

Agree with this. But the moaning is only likely to stop when we can all see signs of improvement on the pitch, are once more being entertained (especially at home) and the results pick up. Then I think we will all once again start to pull in the same direction. Hopefully, anyway!

 

[thfcsteff]

It just feels as if we haven't had harmony at our club for a while. We were great under redknapp for large periods yet the hate for Harry continued from large sections of our support. Again the same under AVB last year even if we were winning. Now Sherwood is receiving even worse then the two and he has had one game, imagine how the negativity will build over the season unless we are winning every week.
You clearly cannot please everyone, especially when it comes to spurs but the infighting at our club needs to stop for us to progress, it's dragging us down!

I absolutely agree.

But I do have to say mate, Harry had long been left alone…it's just that as AVB's wobbles became greater, his name seemed to resurface more and more in discussion as some sort of mystic messiah.

I am trying very very hard indeed to give Sherwood my unconditional support…I won't lie. I'm finding it immensely difficult to feel anything remotely approaching enthusiasm for his potential 'era' but by GHod I promise to keep trying.

In fact, I have to remember that our club really isn't some weird science project!

 

[chicken_badge]

Never want us to lose.

But that was worth it

 

[Libero]

Never want us to lose.

But that was worth it

Exactly. Although I believe we could possibly have beaten City over two legs, it would have been a massive, massive task.

Seeing them get dismantled 9-0 on aggregate is fantastic, another long term injury and another game to take energy out of the tank. Roll on relegation and the hope that they put up enough of a fight to make sure they are still mathematically in with a shout of staying up unless they lose to us on May 3rd.

 

[superfaisty]

Worse still - they play Emirates Marketing Project at the Etihad last game of the season, so could be crucial game for the top and bottom teams!

 

[Rorschach]

Worse still - they play Emirates Marketing Project at the Etihad last game of the season, so could be crucial game for the top and bottom teams!

Their fate will effectively be decided one way or the other before that game you'd think. If City have anything to play for that day there will be only one outcome to the match.

Chelsea up next for them too. I'd almost feel sorry for them if they weren't ...you know... ****s.