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OMT Spurs v United

Man of the match

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Jon said:
I do despair what a bloody mess our squad is!

With the exception of Kane as striker, and Son as AML, I genuinely don’t think anyone else is a guaranteed starter (for reasons other than we have nothing better).

Everyone else seems to be plagued by any combination of being:-
Long term off form or not performing
Past their best
Not ready yet
Not good enough
Too erratic
Always injured
Doesn’t quite fit the system/balance

Add to that we don’t know what our best formation is, and I think it’s a right muddle!
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Especially this one. We've bought players that have no specialised position. Unlike Utd, who have a DM or two or three , a no.8 and a no.10 and solid defenders. It would be easy to pick Utd's team but not ours.
Jose really needs a window or two to get his own players in and get some of our liabilities out!
Your right , it's a bloody mess!
 
seaside spur said:
Especially this one. We've bought players that have no specialised position. Unlike Utd, who have a DM or two or three , a no.8 and a no.10 and solid defenders. It would be easy to pick Utd's team but not ours.
Jose really needs a window or two to get his own players in and get some of our liabilities out!
Your right , it's a bloody mess!
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Exactly. Poch seemed to like players that could play in more than one position. It has left us with a really unbalanced squad. Too many jack-of-all-trades and not enough specialists.

What we still really lack are warriors down our spine. A dominating Centre Half, a really solid DM and line leading, rampaging centre forward - as both back-up and to possibly play with Kane. These should be our top priorities. Not really sure why we went for Bergwyn when other areas needed to be addressed much more desperately.
 
Pirate55 said:
Too many jack-of-all-trades and not enough specialists.
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I've said that for years, and got ridiculed for it. That's also my main issues with many of the academies. All the players coming out of them look exactly the same. Neat and tidy on the ball, and good passers, but none of them have any exceptional ability. They're all cut from the same stone.
 
Kandi1977 said:
I've said that for years, and got ridiculed for it. That's also my main issues with many of the academies. All the players coming out of them look exactly the same. Neat and tidy on the ball, and good passers, but none of them have any exceptional ability. They're all cut from the same stone.
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It’s the Chelsea system that they all copied
 
Kandi1977 said:
I've said that for years, and got ridiculed for it. That's also my main issues with many of the academies. All the players coming out of them look exactly the same. Neat and tidy on the ball, and good passers, but none of them have any exceptional ability. They're all cut from the same stone.
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Yet let's go back to centrehalves who couldn't trap a brick and midfielder who could run all day but not pass water, our young players are much better technically than in the past. You cant teach "exceptional ability" you have it or you dont. The modern game is too dominated by coaches and their tactics and young players must either do as they're told or be a maverick with the risks that go with it.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Yet let's go back to centrehalves who couldn't trap a brick and midfielder who could run all day but not pass water, our young players are much better technically than in the past. You cant teach "exceptional ability" you have it or you dont. The modern game is too dominated by coaches and their tactics and young players must either do as they're told or be a maverick with the risks that go with it.
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That's right, you can't coach exceptional ability, but you can coach it out of them, by focusing to much on other parts of the game.
 
I disagree, the defining factors are athleticism and application*, technicals can be taught to a receptive mind through correct coaching.

Of course if you have all three of those anyway, and exposure to good coaching, you’ll be at an even higher level.

*Exceptionalism in one, with absorbed technicals, can mitigate the lack of the other.
 
galeforce said:
I disagree, the defining factors are athleticism and application*, technicals can be taught to a receptive mind through correct coaching.

Of course if you have all three of those anyway, and exposure to good coaching, you’ll be at an even higher level.

*Exceptionalism in one, with absorbed technicals, can mitigate the lack of the other.
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I think players now aren’t coached to think
It’s why so many flopped at Chelsea despite smashing the youth leagues... the had no way of thinking outside of the box when being asked to step up. The best thing the did was send them on loan to championship sides under Ftoss and he taught them some of that
It’s also why Kane developed from a solid youth player to a genuine world class player... coaching is too controlling now IMO
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think players now aren’t coached to think
It’s why so many flopped at Chelsea despite smashing the youth leagues... the had no way of thinking outside of the box when being asked to step up. The best thing the did was send them on loan to championship sides under Ftoss and he taught them some of that
It’s also why Kane developed from a solid youth player to a genuine world class player... coaching is too controlling now IMO
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I think there is a lot of coaching of “plays”, that’s evident from numerous biographies, I think that is a good thing, repetition leads to competence, passages are somewhat predictable.

I think the better coaches are still teaching (the better?) players what to look for and exploit though, this is particularly noticeable in the increased aggression on transitions in recent years.

I’m not sure I agree on the loans, Kane struggled at those levels, I think the coaching under Poch (and team) gelled perfectly with his mindset, I don’t think his game changed much, he just got fitter, stronger and improved his finishing, credit to all involved.
 
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galeforce said:
I think there is a lot of coaching of “plays”, that’s evident from numerous biographies, I think that is a good thing, repetition leads to competence, passages are somewhat predictable.

I think the better coaches are still teaching (the better?) players what to look for and exploit though, this is particularly noticeable in the increased aggression on transitions in recent years.

I’m not sure I agree on the loans, Kane struggled at those levels, I think the coaching under Poch (and team) gelled perfectly with his mindset, I don’t think his game changed much, he just got fitter, stronger and improved his finishing, credit to all involved.
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The way players are coached now is systemic
Is like it’s become American football
The way the game is controlled via UEFA Licences says it All
I should add I meant the game as a whole not just the top level
Although weirdly they seem to not focus on making 2 footed players which imo is a big miss

kanes loans taught him how to deal with real life variables in the game, such as defenders styles and tactics. He had good spells and bad spells on loan but that could be argued it was a much do with the clubs he joined. Millwall was great for him, Leicester not.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The way players are coached now is systemic
Is like it’s become American football
The way the game is controlled via UEFA Licences says it All
I should add I meant the game as a whole not just the top level
Although weirdly they seem to not focus on making 2 footed players which imo is a big miss

kanes loans taught him how to deal with real life variables in the game, such as defenders styles and tactics. He had good spells and bad spells on loan but that could be argued it was a much do with the clubs he joined. Millwall was great for him, Leicester not.
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I think thats a good thing, it's logical and effective
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It’s systematic and football isn’t like that
The game doesn’t have the breaks
It can work with inferior players to improve the results
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It does have breaks, albeit with the ball not going out of play, look at the Barca 15 passes for example, it's a shape reset and rest with high probability retention before launching a new offensive move.
 
galeforce said:
It does have breaks, albeit with the ball not going out of play, look at the Barca 15 passes for example, it's a shape reset and rest with high probability retention before launching a new offensive move.
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That’s not a break though that lends itself to constant tactical changes and structure
That’s the natural flow of the game with a different style
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That’s not a break though that lends itself to constant tactical changes and structure
That’s the natural flow of the game with a different style
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I disagree. I'm not sure you can say there is a natural flow to the game anymore, certainly at the top level, managers/coaches are constantly tweaking shape and positioning to disrupt or in response, the "game" is under constant manipulation.
 
Tactical coaching has made many games boring, only about 6 clubs in the league appear to be trying to win rather than not lose. Virtually every week I see the same 10 men behind the ball and try getting something from a breakaway or set piece from away teams. It's a very easy tactic and average players can do it well.
 
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