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OMT: Mighty Tottenham Hotspurs vs Brentford - Sat, 21 Sept, 3pm
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Robbo
Paul Walsh
Agreed about drawing the line, but I think they drew it at the wrong place. There are many pretty consequential decisions not being reviewed, even if it's plain to see for everyone the ref got it wrong.
I don't want more stoppages either, but that's more to do with the reviewing process than the VAR review itself. Some things refs miss are clear as day from real time TV images, or at most from a short replay.
I'm not advocating for VAR to scrutinize every litte detail, but rather for VAR to be able to pick up and quickly correct clear and obvious mistakes. Like fouls and handballs the refs don't see, and corner kicks not given/wrongly given.
I'd also like VAR to be able to issue yellow cards for incidents the ref doesn’t pick up that are clearly punishable; like for instance holding back an opponent for a counter attack, kicking the ball away, etc.
This won’t be a perfect solution either, but done properly I believe it will be better and more logical than how VAR is applied today. The key element, of course, will be to ensure VAR decisions are swift and cause minimal disruption to the flow of the game - something they admittedly already struggle to do today.
Robbo
Paul Walsh
I agree that's a much bigger problem, which IMO is more complicated to fix - but not impossible either. It will probably include modifying the rules of the game, and won’t be fixed by VAR alone.
But it doesn't mean we shouldn't also implement an easier solution to fix lesser problems, like Vicario's handball/other fouls the refs miss on a regular basis. See my previous post for my reasoning.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Good win and good atmosphere.
It was quite awesome actually seeing that Brentford goal go in as the South stand were belting a very loud rendition of Oh When The Spurs go marching in
Great finish (same old, same old i grumbled, but i knew that the team who scored first in this fixture hadn't gone on to win in the last 2/3 seasons so i was relaxed...plus it was very early, so..)
Such a great feeling to see both the Solanke and Johnson get those goals for different reasons. If our passes up front were more assured, both could have doubled their tallies.
Some thoughts:
- The pressing was great and Maddison, whilst i still got annoyed at how he slowed the ball down a few times, was a big part of that
- Solanke worked his absolute socks off; Richarlison/Lankshear can't come back soon enough because this soldier will be needing a rest!
- Bentancur had one of his best games for us i felt; as has often been said, he can be a Rolls Royce of a midfielder in the right set-up...a dedicated DM would allow him to become a GREAT number 8, imo
- Kulusevski needs to work on his shooting! As does Son!
- Son had a poor game, yet got two assists (and with better decision-making could have had more)
- Udogie going forwards is almost pointless these days. Very solid defensively and it might help to make it that he rarely ventures past teh half-way line so that he and VDV can be sweeper double-act because he is bring next to bleep-all when he gets forward
- Vicario, deary me: flip-flopped between prime Thorsvedt and Lloris on Stella...caused us problems but also pulled out some amazing saves
- Defence and defensive shape still not quite right for me, but much quicker gong forwards so hopefully that will mitigate things more than has been seen recently (we'll see over the next couple of weeks!)
- Good timings of substitutes, Bentancur looked knackered by the time he went off...i was initially worried when Bissouma got that early yellow, but he had a solid game after that, and was crucial in starting the move that led to the great third goal (and for me that was ironic in that it involved all 3 that i felt were slowing us down the most, now THAT was what i call quick forward passing)
All in all a good performance and result overall. Let's hope this is the beginning of a more upward curve for Ange and the team as mich bigger tests await over the next month or so.
COYS
It was quite awesome actually seeing that Brentford goal go in as the South stand were belting a very loud rendition of Oh When The Spurs go marching in
Great finish (same old, same old i grumbled, but i knew that the team who scored first in this fixture hadn't gone on to win in the last 2/3 seasons so i was relaxed...plus it was very early, so..)
Such a great feeling to see both the Solanke and Johnson get those goals for different reasons. If our passes up front were more assured, both could have doubled their tallies.
Some thoughts:
- The pressing was great and Maddison, whilst i still got annoyed at how he slowed the ball down a few times, was a big part of that
- Solanke worked his absolute socks off; Richarlison/Lankshear can't come back soon enough because this soldier will be needing a rest!
- Bentancur had one of his best games for us i felt; as has often been said, he can be a Rolls Royce of a midfielder in the right set-up...a dedicated DM would allow him to become a GREAT number 8, imo
- Kulusevski needs to work on his shooting! As does Son!
- Son had a poor game, yet got two assists (and with better decision-making could have had more)
- Udogie going forwards is almost pointless these days. Very solid defensively and it might help to make it that he rarely ventures past teh half-way line so that he and VDV can be sweeper double-act because he is bring next to bleep-all when he gets forward
- Vicario, deary me: flip-flopped between prime Thorsvedt and Lloris on Stella...caused us problems but also pulled out some amazing saves
- Defence and defensive shape still not quite right for me, but much quicker gong forwards so hopefully that will mitigate things more than has been seen recently (we'll see over the next couple of weeks!)
- Good timings of substitutes, Bentancur looked knackered by the time he went off...i was initially worried when Bissouma got that early yellow, but he had a solid game after that, and was crucial in starting the move that led to the great third goal (and for me that was ironic in that it involved all 3 that i felt were slowing us down the most, now THAT was what i call quick forward passing)
All in all a good performance and result overall. Let's hope this is the beginning of a more upward curve for Ange and the team as mich bigger tests await over the next month or so.
COYS
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Glad it’s not just me who thought son was poorGood win and good atmosphere.
It was quite awesome actually seeing that Brentford goal go in as the South stand were belting a very loud rendition of Oh When The Spurs go marching in
Great finish (same old, same old i grumbled, but i knew that the team who scored first in this fixture hadn't gone on to win in the last 2/3 seasons so i was relaxed...plus it was very early, so..)
Such a great feeling to see both the Solanke and Johnson get those goals for different reasons. If our passes up front were more assured, both could have doubled their tallies.
Some thoughts:
- The pressing was great and Maddison, whilst i still got annoyed at how he slowed the ball down a few times, was a big part of that
- Solanke worked his absolute socks off; Richarlison/Lankshear can't come back soon enough because this soldier will be needing a rest!
- Bentancur had one of his best games for us i felt; as has often been said, he can be a Rolls Royce of a midfielder in the right set-up...a dedicated DM would allow him to become a GREAT number 8, imo
- Kulusevski needs to work on his shooting! As does Son!
- Son had a poor game, yet got two assists (and with better decision-making could have had more)
- Udogie going forwards is almost pointless these days. Very solid defensively and it might help to make it that he rarely ventures past teh half-way line so that he and VDV can be sweeper double-act because he is bring next to bleep-all when he gets forward
- Vicario, deary me: flip-flopped between prime Thorsvedt and Lloris on Stella...caused us problems but also pulled out some amazing saves
- Defence and defensive shape still not quite right for me, but much quicker gong forwards so hopefully that will mitigate things more than has been seen recently (we'll see over the next couple of weeks!)
- Good timings of substitutes, Bentancur looked knackered by the time he went off...i was initially worried when Bissouma got that early yellow, but he had a solid game after that, and was crucial in starting the move that led to the great third goal (and for me that was ironic in that it involved all 3 that i felt were slowing us down the most, now THAT was what i call quick forward passing)
All in all a good performance and result overall. Let's hope this is the beginning of a more upward curve for Ange and the team as mich bigger tests await over the next month or so.
COYS
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Good grief, he was horrific.
I feel for him as you can see he's not trusting his abilities to shoot anymore and his hesitancy and his decision-making is effecting our atacks. It's ironic he got two assists but he really is on the wane it seems now...it's actually very sad to see
It's also why it would have been great to have bought a winger who is a game-changer on his side to bench him for certain games. He;s playing too much now i feel for both his and our own good.
Good grief, he was horrific.
I feel for him as you can see he's not trusting his abilities to shoot anymore and his hesitancy and his decision-making is effecting our atacks. It's ironic he got two assists but he really is on the wane it seems now...it's actually very sad to see
It's also why it would have been great to have bought a winger who is a game-changer on his side to bench him for certain games. He;s playing too much now i feel for both his and our own good.
Love some peoples perspective. He's scored 2 for us. Scored a few more on international duty. We also brought in werner and odobert who can play in his position.
He might not be at his best which is fair enough criticism. But not trusting his shooting abilty when he's scored 4 or 5 so far this season and has the best long range shot accuracy stats in europe at the moment? Nah.
It's utterly crazy
- He got two assists, the last one was all his work
- He could have done better in the 1:1s and there was at least one decision where he opted not to shoot.
- That said, it's his positioning, his movement, his part in the press from the front that created all of the above.
Said it last week when people were saying he needs to be dropped, that's a fan comment, not a manager decision.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
He is referring to son not trusting his shooting ability
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
He should have had more assists and at last a goal
A player can generate good numbers and be poor
When he was one on one with the keeper twice he didn’t even get a shot off.. he panicked and made poor passes
He also played a lot of passes behind players
His pass for Johnson’s goal was good but was still at him rather than in front (better than Kulus earlier)
And i am replying to that. Why would you not trust your shooting ability, when you have scored plenty of goals this season and have the best shooting accuracy stats in europe?
Yes, but like many elite players, what he showed is even on his "brick" day he contributes more than another player would.
Son will know he should have done better, and there clearly form/confidence concerns, at his best he buries all of those.
My point is a lot of people seem to think player "x" in the team could/would do better or we could have bought someone better to push him, both of which I think are extremely naïve/optimistic perspectives. We have to plan to replace him at some point, but right now, he's still one of the few game changing players we have.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I don’t think j we have brought anyone to replace him
But I don’t think he suits us
His strengths aren’t right for the way we play IMO
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Not that long ago no. Look at the goals he's scored in the last month or so.
1 game is not a good sample size.
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Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
He scored a counter attacking goal where he hit it first time
And a keeper mistake/high press
Both were quick and he didn’t think.. he just did what he does
Every time he had time in the last game he was poor.
Against Arsenal he was bad with a lot of short passes
Saudi Sportswashing Machine… what did he do?
Leicester? Same again
The guy is an outstanding finisher but the way he didn’t take the chances on Saturday is odd. He is an elite finisher and chose not to finish
Yes he's not playing world class football. But not trusting his shooting ability? Look at the goal he scored for korea the other week. The gk said it was impossible.
We all want more from him and for him to be more consistent. But to say he can't shoot anymore? That's in your heads.
Muttley
Peter Taylor
Do you think there has been a couple of occasions where the players, manager or even club analysts have pointed out where he has shot selfishly rather than squared it to a team mate? I've certainly seen a few from Sonny, which by the way just make him a typical striker. Perhaps his head was a little scrambled in the moment and the pendulum has swung back too far the other way. It happens right?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Could be the answer
But I doubt that’s gonna be one on ones
I wonder if it’s just a huge self confidence thing