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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
It is in the 'uk of Denmark' so to speak but it is not part of scandinavia.
It is in the 'uk of Denmark' so to speak but it is not part of scandinavia.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
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I wonder did AvB give him some instruction on being a bit more greedy, after his pass attemp to Bale in the Arse match.
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I wonder did AvB give him some instruction on being a bit more greedy, after his pass attemp to Bale in the Arse match.
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
I think so. But the managers can only give instructions so much. The players should use their own common sense to take the best options for them. And it was the wrong decision by Sigurdsson to go for goal himself instead of passing to Defoe. Maybe he thought missing a chance at 2-1 won't come back to affect us.
I think so. But the managers can only give instructions so much. The players should use their own common sense to take the best options for them. And it was the wrong decision by Sigurdsson to go for goal himself instead of passing to Defoe. Maybe he thought missing a chance at 2-1 won't come back to affect us.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
maybe he just didnt see him. he was well within hie rights to make an attempt
maybe he just didnt see him. he was well within hie rights to make an attempt
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
I think Gylfi's too desperate to score atm, it's affecting him in front of goal. Unfortunately while you can get a player to work harder, getting him to "calm down and relax" is rather easier said than done! It's a shame since a purple patch from him could well be crucial for this run-in, like Niko's was during the first season we finished fourth.
It doesn't help when our strikers are so goal-shy that I bet AVB's telling our AMs to be more aggressive with shooting. This season Lennon has looked much more shot-happy than I've ever seen him until Bale's goalscoring began to get all the focus and Lennon switched more to defense.
I actually think Bale is too desperate right now too, because of all the media and POTY hype pressuring him to score a wondergoal every game as well as our own lack of goalscorers. As our in-form finisher he has a right to take those difficult shots, but I think he plays better when he considers himself a creator first and foremost rather than our only striker or a Ronaldo clone. Imo he actually does have that ability for killer passes as well as crosses in him, and his runs are improving. He's developing a good understanding with Gylfi, add a top-class striker there and I think both players will look more patient in front of goal.
I think Gylfi's too desperate to score atm, it's affecting him in front of goal. Unfortunately while you can get a player to work harder, getting him to "calm down and relax" is rather easier said than done! It's a shame since a purple patch from him could well be crucial for this run-in, like Niko's was during the first season we finished fourth.
It doesn't help when our strikers are so goal-shy that I bet AVB's telling our AMs to be more aggressive with shooting. This season Lennon has looked much more shot-happy than I've ever seen him until Bale's goalscoring began to get all the focus and Lennon switched more to defense.
I actually think Bale is too desperate right now too, because of all the media and POTY hype pressuring him to score a wondergoal every game as well as our own lack of goalscorers. As our in-form finisher he has a right to take those difficult shots, but I think he plays better when he considers himself a creator first and foremost rather than our only striker or a Ronaldo clone. Imo he actually does have that ability for killer passes as well as crosses in him, and his runs are improving. He's developing a good understanding with Gylfi, add a top-class striker there and I think both players will look more patient in front of goal.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Didn't Gareth Bale provide the assists for both our goals at Anfield yesterday?
Didn't Gareth Bale provide the assists for both our goals at Anfield yesterday?
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Thought the second went to the great Spurs servant Jamie Carragher?
Thought the second went to the great Spurs servant Jamie Carragher?
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Siggy is man enough to know when he should pass when he should shoot. Unfortunately he did the opposite to what he should have done on both occassions... Its decision making isn't it.
Siggy is man enough to know when he should pass when he should shoot. Unfortunately he did the opposite to what he should have done on both occassions... Its decision making isn't it.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Personally I think its hard for any player playing along side Defoe and Bale, being in good positions time and again and being ignored, not to go for goal on your own when you have it.
Personally I think its hard for any player playing along side Defoe and Bale, being in good positions time and again and being ignored, not to go for goal on your own when you have it.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Yes indeed, but what I'm getting at is that a split second decision can be influenced by your managers instructions and this may have had some subconscious influence on his choices. I can imagine the situtation where AVb had words with Siggy for not shooting against Arsenal and this was on his mind during the match.
On a more general point I think that our decision making is a something that does occasionally let us down. You can label it greed or managers instructions or whatever, but it seems to me that in every game we have a few instances where the player makes the absolute wrong choice to shoot or lay it off. Maybe this happens to every team but I only really notice it for us, but I just feel there are more goals in every game for us if we could get this right. There are a few players that tend shoot when the should not - Defoe and Bale are two obvious examples. On the other side of the coin there are players who should shoot more but don't - I'd put Dembele and Lennon in that category. And then there is Parker who shouldn't shoot ever
Top players make the right choice pretty much every time. We need this.
Yes indeed, but what I'm getting at is that a split second decision can be influenced by your managers instructions and this may have had some subconscious influence on his choices. I can imagine the situtation where AVb had words with Siggy for not shooting against Arsenal and this was on his mind during the match.
On a more general point I think that our decision making is a something that does occasionally let us down. You can label it greed or managers instructions or whatever, but it seems to me that in every game we have a few instances where the player makes the absolute wrong choice to shoot or lay it off. Maybe this happens to every team but I only really notice it for us, but I just feel there are more goals in every game for us if we could get this right. There are a few players that tend shoot when the should not - Defoe and Bale are two obvious examples. On the other side of the coin there are players who should shoot more but don't - I'd put Dembele and Lennon in that category. And then there is Parker who shouldn't shoot ever
Top players make the right choice pretty much every time. We need this.
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22 Men And A Ball
Guest
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Long time poster under a different name, just started paying more attention to a personal blog I have been writing for sporadically for a couple of years and am now intending to write for more regularly. I've made a couple of recent posts, the latest being an article on Sigurdsson settling into life at Spurs, I would appreciate it if you guys could give it a read/your thoughts: http://twentytwomen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/gylfi-sigurdsson-beginning-to-make-his.html
I only joined twitter today as well, so following me @22MenAndABall would be a great help too!
I sincerely hope the Sig continues to blossom into a top class talent, and with Bale, Lennon and Holtby at the club he is in good company. COYS!
PS. If anyone tries to flush my head down the toilet or any of that malarkey I will promptly Sandro karate-kick them square in the jaw :barnet: (despite this shameless act of plugging on my part :-")
Long time poster under a different name, just started paying more attention to a personal blog I have been writing for sporadically for a couple of years and am now intending to write for more regularly. I've made a couple of recent posts, the latest being an article on Sigurdsson settling into life at Spurs, I would appreciate it if you guys could give it a read/your thoughts: http://twentytwomen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/gylfi-sigurdsson-beginning-to-make-his.html
I only joined twitter today as well, so following me @22MenAndABall would be a great help too!
I sincerely hope the Sig continues to blossom into a top class talent, and with Bale, Lennon and Holtby at the club he is in good company. COYS!
PS. If anyone tries to flush my head down the toilet or any of that malarkey I will promptly Sandro karate-kick them square in the jaw :barnet: (despite this shameless act of plugging on my part :-")
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22 Men And A Ball
Guest
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
It is only by having experienced a situation over and over again that one can make the correct decision every time. It takes a lot of practice and most important experience. This is what Sig has been getting recently and I'm sure has something to do with the influence he has been having on recent games.
Yes indeed, but what I'm getting at is that a split second decision can be influenced by your managers instructions and this may have had some subconscious influence on his choices. I can imagine the situtation where AVb had words with Siggy for not shooting against Arsenal and this was on his mind during the match.
On a more general point I think that our decision making is a something that does occasionally let us down. You can label it greed or managers instructions or whatever, but it seems to me that in every game we have a few instances where the player makes the absolute wrong choice to shoot or lay it off. Maybe this happens to every team but I only really notice it for us, but I just feel there are more goals in every game for us if we could get this right. There are a few players that tend shoot when the should not - Defoe and Bale are two obvious examples. On the other side of the coin there are players who should shoot more but don't - I'd put Dembele and Lennon in that category. And then there is Parker who shouldn't shoot ever
Top players make the right choice pretty much every time. We need this.
It is only by having experienced a situation over and over again that one can make the correct decision every time. It takes a lot of practice and most important experience. This is what Sig has been getting recently and I'm sure has something to do with the influence he has been having on recent games.
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Whilst I agree that smarter players are simply smarter players - just look at Suarez versus our strikers - I don't think we have the funds to depend on buying the final article, top players who are not only talented and creative but intelligent and mature in the way they play (and when we do have the funds, we haven't shown the transfer nous! we'd rather spend 26m on Crouch and Defoe than 24m on Suarez). We can afford an out-of-the-blue bargain like VdV for 8m, but usually we have to buy the raw players who have a deficiency in some way but demonstrate glimpses of potential that suggest they can be polished into something great (Bale, Lennon, Dawson, the Kyles, Kaboul, Sandro, Holtby, etc).
I'd love us to buy smarter players with a chink in their game elsewhere, but I don't think it's surprising that usually the deficiency has to do with what's in their head, not in their feet - most technical aspects are extremely hard to develop after hitting the early twenties, and you're either born with pace or not, so that leaves only the mental side (attitude, decision-making, handling pressure, etc). That means time and coaching and being patient through some very frustrating times.
TBH I think that for all their talent, all of our attacking players are pretty damn braindead in the final third :lol: Not to mention poor Walker, though even he looks like Einstein compared to our nonexistent strikers. FWIW I think that if they are showing improvements in training and at least *trying* out on the pitch, I can put up with some stupidity for now. It will take longer than one season and a few games for a young player to become smarter, especially if he's prone to nerves like Gylfi seems to be.
Tiredness will also impact decision-making, and we have been playing a lot of games of late.
Whilst I agree that smarter players are simply smarter players - just look at Suarez versus our strikers - I don't think we have the funds to depend on buying the final article, top players who are not only talented and creative but intelligent and mature in the way they play (and when we do have the funds, we haven't shown the transfer nous! we'd rather spend 26m on Crouch and Defoe than 24m on Suarez). We can afford an out-of-the-blue bargain like VdV for 8m, but usually we have to buy the raw players who have a deficiency in some way but demonstrate glimpses of potential that suggest they can be polished into something great (Bale, Lennon, Dawson, the Kyles, Kaboul, Sandro, Holtby, etc).
I'd love us to buy smarter players with a chink in their game elsewhere, but I don't think it's surprising that usually the deficiency has to do with what's in their head, not in their feet - most technical aspects are extremely hard to develop after hitting the early twenties, and you're either born with pace or not, so that leaves only the mental side (attitude, decision-making, handling pressure, etc). That means time and coaching and being patient through some very frustrating times.
TBH I think that for all their talent, all of our attacking players are pretty damn braindead in the final third :lol: Not to mention poor Walker, though even he looks like Einstein compared to our nonexistent strikers. FWIW I think that if they are showing improvements in training and at least *trying* out on the pitch, I can put up with some stupidity for now. It will take longer than one season and a few games for a young player to become smarter, especially if he's prone to nerves like Gylfi seems to be.
Tiredness will also impact decision-making, and we have been playing a lot of games of late.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
For some younger players, then yes experience has a lot to do with it but we're not talking about kids here. Most of our players are senior internationals of varying experience. Making the right choice should be driven by the teams needs without exception. For the premature ejaculators it is more about scoring than winning. It has to be a club ethos to win at all costs rather than score at all costs.
If you take the example of Man Utd, it appears to me that the desire to win is so strong that it pushes all thoughts of personal glory far into the background for even their biggest stars. I can almost picture someone like Roy Keane screaming at Defoe a few times every match for making stupid shooting decisions.
For some younger players, then yes experience has a lot to do with it but we're not talking about kids here. Most of our players are senior internationals of varying experience. Making the right choice should be driven by the teams needs without exception. For the premature ejaculators it is more about scoring than winning. It has to be a club ethos to win at all costs rather than score at all costs.
If you take the example of Man Utd, it appears to me that the desire to win is so strong that it pushes all thoughts of personal glory far into the background for even their biggest stars. I can almost picture someone like Roy Keane screaming at Defoe a few times every match for making stupid shooting decisions.
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
What is this thing about Sigurdsson always hitting the post ? Is he jinxed or just unlucky ? IIRC, he has hit the post 4 or 5 times for us, including against Everton, West Ham and now Liverpool. Is he aiming to become the undisputed King Of Hitting Posts ? Can't remember any other Spurs players or even other team players hitting the post that many times in the same season. Maybe THFC6061 can confirm that.
His habit of hitting the post have already cost us 6 points against Everton and Liverpool. Fortunately, he recovered to score against West Ham. If he continues to hit the posts like this, soon he will be taunted as Gylfi "always hit the post" Sigurdsson.
What is this thing about Sigurdsson always hitting the post ? Is he jinxed or just unlucky ? IIRC, he has hit the post 4 or 5 times for us, including against Everton, West Ham and now Liverpool. Is he aiming to become the undisputed King Of Hitting Posts ? Can't remember any other Spurs players or even other team players hitting the post that many times in the same season. Maybe THFC6061 can confirm that.
His habit of hitting the post have already cost us 6 points against Everton and Liverpool. Fortunately, he recovered to score against West Ham. If he continues to hit the posts like this, soon he will be taunted as Gylfi "always hit the post" Sigurdsson.
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Robbo
Paul Walsh
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Still a bit annoyed that his finish had to hit the post there. We wouldn't have lost had we gone 3-1 up.
Very encouraging that he keeps getting into scoring positions, though. I predict a ketchup effect pretty soon!
Edit: Should off course be "post", not "target".
Still a bit annoyed that his finish had to hit the post there. We wouldn't have lost had we gone 3-1 up.
Very encouraging that he keeps getting into scoring positions, though. I predict a ketchup effect pretty soon!
Edit: Should off course be "post", not "target".
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Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
Top players make the right choice more often but no where near the "pretty much every time" mark
and the very top players also have the ability to pull the wrong decision off, even when the "right" decision should have been to do something else.
Again, as with goalkeepers and defenders getting hammered for single mistakes, midfielders and attackers make so many 'wrong decisions' every game that don't get picked up on - think this whole debate over should he have shot or whatever is so meaningless.
Yes indeed, but what I'm getting at is that a split second decision can be influenced by your managers instructions and this may have had some subconscious influence on his choices. I can imagine the situtation where AVb had words with Siggy for not shooting against Arsenal and this was on his mind during the match.
On a more general point I think that our decision making is a something that does occasionally let us down. You can label it greed or managers instructions or whatever, but it seems to me that in every game we have a few instances where the player makes the absolute wrong choice to shoot or lay it off. Maybe this happens to every team but I only really notice it for us, but I just feel there are more goals in every game for us if we could get this right. There are a few players that tend shoot when the should not - Defoe and Bale are two obvious examples. On the other side of the coin there are players who should shoot more but don't - I'd put Dembele and Lennon in that category. And then there is Parker who shouldn't shoot ever
Top players make the right choice pretty much every time. We need this.
Top players make the right choice more often but no where near the "pretty much every time" mark
and the very top players also have the ability to pull the wrong decision off, even when the "right" decision should have been to do something else.
Again, as with goalkeepers and defenders getting hammered for single mistakes, midfielders and attackers make so many 'wrong decisions' every game that don't get picked up on - think this whole debate over should he have shot or whatever is so meaningless.
Re: Gylfi Sigurdsson
He did hit the target - but the keeper got something on it and it hit the post.
Am not one of the people on here who loves Siggy however I think in this instance he did the right thing and shot himself rather than passing to Defoe. Defoe had a defender close to him so there was no guarantee at all that he would have scored.
I do still wonder what Siggy's future is given that now that Bale has moved to this central role then 4-4-1-1 looks like being our main formation. Siggy I think fits in better in the midfield of a 4-3-3 which I always thought was what we would end up playing however am now not sure given it means Bale occupying a wide, albeit flexible, position. I guess it depends on who the CF is, how mobile they are and whether they can move out wide. 4-4-1-1 also suits Lennon far better than 4-3-3.
He did hit the target - but the keeper got something on it and it hit the post.
Am not one of the people on here who loves Siggy however I think in this instance he did the right thing and shot himself rather than passing to Defoe. Defoe had a defender close to him so there was no guarantee at all that he would have scored.
I do still wonder what Siggy's future is given that now that Bale has moved to this central role then 4-4-1-1 looks like being our main formation. Siggy I think fits in better in the midfield of a 4-3-3 which I always thought was what we would end up playing however am now not sure given it means Bale occupying a wide, albeit flexible, position. I guess it depends on who the CF is, how mobile they are and whether they can move out wide. 4-4-1-1 also suits Lennon far better than 4-3-3.