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*Official Match Thread* Tottenham Hotspur vs Norwich
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To actually execute tactics, you need the proper tools. AVB has not been given those tools, with the heart of the creativity, guile, and vision ripped out of his team. Even if all of the players are technically adept at passing, even if they're all great dribblers (and they're not), that doesn't mean they have vision, a sense of where and when to pass, anything approaching Modric's passing range and quickness of transition. To break down a team, it takes more than individual skill, it takes more than even movement - it takes things like rapid ball circulation and the ability to spot and execute key passes quickly. Look at United - even their mediocre players are typically able to one-touch pass with speed, so they inevitably win games even with the weakest United team on paper in a long time (how many years have I been hearing this???) and some very strange formations.
I am not going to judge AVB particularly harshly until he is allowed to bring in HIS players. For now, I'd like to see Carroll given a chance, because it's not like we can do much worse. :lol: Even though we see plenty of the ball, we are sorely lacking in the desire and the ability to do something with it.
I am not going to judge AVB particularly harshly until he is allowed to bring in HIS players. For now, I'd like to see Carroll given a chance, because it's not like we can do much worse. :lol: Even though we see plenty of the ball, we are sorely lacking in the desire and the ability to do something with it.
Gilzeantoscore
Simon Davies
As a rule I think coaches are over rated. Teams SOMETIMES even win in spite of them. Look at England in the 1990 World Cup. Robson gave them his instructions and the team went out and completely ignored them Played Wright as a sweeper if I remember correctly. The media did not know and lauded Robson as a tactical genius, when nothing could have been further from the truth.
Jurgen the German
Terry Dyson
If anything, it was typical England. We only really played well in the semi final and were unlucky admittedly, but the rest of the games were same old England. Didn't we draw with Ireland?
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Serge Aurier
That's 3 match of the days I can't watch tonight. Seriously prefer to go 1-0 down and equalise than let in another late fuxking goal. It was so obvious we should have gone for 2-0. Why the fudge take off Defoe u thick **** avb
Jurgen the German
Terry Dyson
I am a pessimist, but I just knew we would concede late again today. We look very dodgy at the back! And more worryingly, we don't look like scoring much like the start of 08/09.
again you sho yur ignorance. the fact he has no international youth caps is entirely the point....i reckon there are no players in or around any of our competitors with a playerwho has no youth caps...find me another...he wasnt quality as a youth ...so where has he come from? and why is he deemed giodd enough by anyone...he has no pedigree....no talent to command a place in front of us....how is he deemed good enough? because heisnt.......he will end up at a lower side within a few years so i ask again why do you deem him good enough now? is he as good as even chelsea, man yoos cieth's arsenal 6th choice defensive midfieler?? i sufgest not...s why is he stinking out our first team?
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Serge Aurier
Mate I'm a massive pessimist and I'm first to say this but even the happiest most optimistic taco in the world could see they were going to equalise. We are awful and so mentally weak
fair enough i sort f felt taht too but he has the excuse of so fe games. hoddle- it breaks iur hearts but lost the pliot big time..but there is one mre differnce..watch his bbcinterview..unlike hoddle and that bell end end redknapp who was so keen for the england job he admitted nothing, , he admitted we were bad...and that is a start. at least.
Southcote Spur
Jason Dozzell
Last week, I was pleased with the performance but disappointed with the result. This week, I was pleased with the result, but disappointed with the performance. The rationale behind this is that Norwich deserved something out of the game.
Our first half performance was probably one of the worst I'd seen for 4 years, but we got a point out of a game we lost last year. If I were a teacher, I single out Freidal and Vertonghen for special praise, along with Dembele for an excellent finish. As for the rest, the classic phrase "must try harder" springs to mind?
I understand that some people have been quick to criticise AVB and Levy, but the truth of the matter is that Modric and VdV wanted to go, so whoever was at the helm would have had the unenviable task of replacing two irreplaceable players. For those who have said that HR and Berbatov would have made a difference, I am afraid that you have very short memories. One would have dropped us as quick as a starving lady of the night would have dropped her knickers, had England came calling and who referred to us as "them", whilst the other went on strike!
As for AVB and Levy, I think they have done the right thing and I am positive that we will see the benefits in the long run. Remember SAF was one game away from the sack, whilst the "other north London" club has kept the faith with AW.
Come on you lot, get behind the team FFS, its embarrassing when fans boo their own team!!
Our first half performance was probably one of the worst I'd seen for 4 years, but we got a point out of a game we lost last year. If I were a teacher, I single out Freidal and Vertonghen for special praise, along with Dembele for an excellent finish. As for the rest, the classic phrase "must try harder" springs to mind?
I understand that some people have been quick to criticise AVB and Levy, but the truth of the matter is that Modric and VdV wanted to go, so whoever was at the helm would have had the unenviable task of replacing two irreplaceable players. For those who have said that HR and Berbatov would have made a difference, I am afraid that you have very short memories. One would have dropped us as quick as a starving lady of the night would have dropped her knickers, had England came calling and who referred to us as "them", whilst the other went on strike!
As for AVB and Levy, I think they have done the right thing and I am positive that we will see the benefits in the long run. Remember SAF was one game away from the sack, whilst the "other north London" club has kept the faith with AW.
Come on you lot, get behind the team FFS, its embarrassing when fans boo their own team!!
SUIYHA
Scott Parker
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
Agreed on all counts.
The players coming on weren't wrong, it was the initial team selection and the decisions on who was replaced that were downright awful today. Defoe on his own up front was never going to be a good idea against West Brom and it was shockingly bad, but AVB at least had the vague reasoning behind it that Adebayor was short of match practice and fitness. No such excuse today. We spent 56 minutes hoofing high balls up to Defoe who never won any of them of course and of course, created very little, we looked miles better once he came on. Not starting Dembele was almost as stupid, the guy is fit and in form and was buzzing and raring to go. Instead we started with two holding midfielders at home to a team that will in all likeliness be battling relegation this season. Of course we created fudge all. I was also surprised to see Gallas too, I really thought Caulker would be given a chance but Gallas was very poor today.
Once Adebayor and Dembele were on the pitch we scored a goal and had a couple of other chances. But by not starting them we effectively wasted the entire first half which is a ludicrous thing to do. AVB did bring on the right players but he also brought off the wrong ones. Sandro wasn't having a particularly good game, but neither was Livermore, and they are both holding midfielders, they perform the same role, and Sandro is clearly better. So what the fudge was AVB thinking in choosing him to go off instead? For the second week running? The next decision to take off Sigurdsson was also a poor one, as he is now there to carry out the creative role that Van Der Vaart used to do behind the striker. Surely anybody can see that we will see the best of him with the ball at his feet playing off Adebayor, not chasing non-existent knock downs from Defoe or coming deep to get the ball from one of the holding midfielders. Instead, we took him off for Adebayor. That meant that we had no passing midfielders left on the pitch, and there was a horrible moment where we got a corner and nobody even stepped up to take it because clearly nobody left on the pitch had been practising them. Finally, right near the end of the game, when we were in the lead and finally on the front foot, AVB took off Defoe, a striker, who was working hard and was now finally in a formation that he might actually be able to do something useful in. And he took him off for Huddlestone, a defensive midfielder, to go on the back foot and allow Norwich to come at us, and of course, they scored.
I can accept a manager making a mistake here and there, or if the team drops points because a good player or a player we were forced to play through injuries has a bad game. But I cannot accept a manager not spotting basic basic things like the fact that hoofing high balls up to Defoe on his own up front is not going to achieve anything, even after he's already watched it go horribly wrong a week earlier. People used to say Harry was a bad tactician, but there's no way he would have had a team play Norwich at home with two holding midfielders hoofing high balls up to a midget striker when there were other players on the bench. What the fudge was AVB doing today?
Yeah yeah, give him time you say. I'm not writing off the possibility of him turning things around but I've been very unimpressed by what I've seen so far from AVB. If we'd won our opening three games in style then everyone would be jizzing themselves about how he's the next messiah, so it's only right that after dropping four points directly because of poor decisions he's made that I'd be very disappointed in him. 8 points from his last 9 games in English football, 17 from his last 15. That's practically relegation form over almost half a season. Please Andre, sort yourself out. I can't bear to consider the consequences of us having hired another brick manager who fudges things up for us.
Agreed on all counts.
The players coming on weren't wrong, it was the initial team selection and the decisions on who was replaced that were downright awful today. Defoe on his own up front was never going to be a good idea against West Brom and it was shockingly bad, but AVB at least had the vague reasoning behind it that Adebayor was short of match practice and fitness. No such excuse today. We spent 56 minutes hoofing high balls up to Defoe who never won any of them of course and of course, created very little, we looked miles better once he came on. Not starting Dembele was almost as stupid, the guy is fit and in form and was buzzing and raring to go. Instead we started with two holding midfielders at home to a team that will in all likeliness be battling relegation this season. Of course we created fudge all. I was also surprised to see Gallas too, I really thought Caulker would be given a chance but Gallas was very poor today.
Once Adebayor and Dembele were on the pitch we scored a goal and had a couple of other chances. But by not starting them we effectively wasted the entire first half which is a ludicrous thing to do. AVB did bring on the right players but he also brought off the wrong ones. Sandro wasn't having a particularly good game, but neither was Livermore, and they are both holding midfielders, they perform the same role, and Sandro is clearly better. So what the fudge was AVB thinking in choosing him to go off instead? For the second week running? The next decision to take off Sigurdsson was also a poor one, as he is now there to carry out the creative role that Van Der Vaart used to do behind the striker. Surely anybody can see that we will see the best of him with the ball at his feet playing off Adebayor, not chasing non-existent knock downs from Defoe or coming deep to get the ball from one of the holding midfielders. Instead, we took him off for Adebayor. That meant that we had no passing midfielders left on the pitch, and there was a horrible moment where we got a corner and nobody even stepped up to take it because clearly nobody left on the pitch had been practising them. Finally, right near the end of the game, when we were in the lead and finally on the front foot, AVB took off Defoe, a striker, who was working hard and was now finally in a formation that he might actually be able to do something useful in. And he took him off for Huddlestone, a defensive midfielder, to go on the back foot and allow Norwich to come at us, and of course, they scored.
I can accept a manager making a mistake here and there, or if the team drops points because a good player or a player we were forced to play through injuries has a bad game. But I cannot accept a manager not spotting basic basic things like the fact that hoofing high balls up to Defoe on his own up front is not going to achieve anything, even after he's already watched it go horribly wrong a week earlier. People used to say Harry was a bad tactician, but there's no way he would have had a team play Norwich at home with two holding midfielders hoofing high balls up to a midget striker when there were other players on the bench. What the fudge was AVB doing today?
Yeah yeah, give him time you say. I'm not writing off the possibility of him turning things around but I've been very unimpressed by what I've seen so far from AVB. If we'd won our opening three games in style then everyone would be jizzing themselves about how he's the next messiah, so it's only right that after dropping four points directly because of poor decisions he's made that I'd be very disappointed in him. 8 points from his last 9 games in English football, 17 from his last 15. That's practically relegation form over almost half a season. Please Andre, sort yourself out. I can't bear to consider the consequences of us having hired another brick manager who fudges things up for us.
Jurgen the German
Terry Dyson
We were even worse today. At least we had good spells in the WBA game.
Southcote Spur
Jason Dozzell
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
Please tell me that Sandro had taken a knock, because I wholeheartedly agree with you!?
Please tell me that Sandro had taken a knock, because I wholeheartedly agree with you!?
NorwegianSpursFan
Neil Ruddock
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
I'll probably get slated for this, but our team was crying out for Scott parker today. We desperately needed someone puting a foot in today, someone who works their socks off and shows passion. Not saying he'd fit in avb's tactics, but his leadership qualities were sorely missed today.
I'll probably get slated for this, but our team was crying out for Scott parker today. We desperately needed someone puting a foot in today, someone who works their socks off and shows passion. Not saying he'd fit in avb's tactics, but his leadership qualities were sorely missed today.
marcospur2
Ronnie Rosenthal
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
The Sandro one was strange, but may be a knock of some kind. The other one was Ade on for Siggy. Not because bringing Ade on was a bad move but because it led to a shift to a 442 and a period of confusion. Ade for Defoe I could have understood. Others may disagree.
The Sandro one was strange, but may be a knock of some kind. The other one was Ade on for Siggy. Not because bringing Ade on was a bad move but because it led to a shift to a 442 and a period of confusion. Ade for Defoe I could have understood. Others may disagree.
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
I'm not sure he'll be give the chance. Reading away next.
I'm not sure he'll be give the chance. Reading away next.