Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Can I double like this post?
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Next Manager?
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N9ne of those players were that highly rated when Poch took over - no one was saying we only needed a manager to get these players plsying to their level to have use challenging for the league & CL - your post reads as though the payers wer akways destined to take usbto that level
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Ah ok
I wasn’t Inferring that
I was saying that a manager coming in inheriting that level of talent should do well
And Poch did
The guys a brilliant coach
He ain’t a brilliant manager yet but his coaching is outstanding IMO
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Yes my post referring to a Poch was more of a general response to the sentiment I was picking up on in this thread.
You wouldn’t be a Spurs fan if there wasn’t trepidation about the decision of who the next manager is going to be, no one is guaranteed to be successful. Maybe Arteta gets sacked early next season and Potter or ETH go to Goons and turns them around but by the same token Conte could be the right hybrid of Poch and Mourinho to get us back into CL and pick up a trophy and it will be seen as a missed opportunity for others, maybe even including United and Madrid (or even PsG if Poch doesn’t win the league with a full season under his belt!)
I just feel that if it is Conte it will be on his terms and I’d like to see Poch at least pick up a title for his own reputation and show the type of player he looks to sign independently of our transfer committee before he comes back.
I’m with you on the plan, but as someone else has said maybe it is a blessing.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Are you using Bedford's spell checker this evening?
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
I’d really like Poch to show he has learned how to manage more
Manage his board for a start
And also manage the development of a team through a transition period too
Do that over the next two years then come here once Conte walks
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Or if he does a little better the Barca job and a little worse the Belgium one! Or even the United one!
Yet their wage budget is closer to ours than ours was to the rest of the big 6 and we’re the serial underachievers.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Kane was the fat academy kid who was brick at Norwich. Rose and Dembele looked awful. Verts had looked class under AVB. And the jury was still out on Walker and Eriksen.
It's not much difference from inheriting Parrott, Sessegnon, Ndombele, Sanchez, Foyth and Lo Celso now. In 7 years time that might look like a fortunate inheritance if the right coach comes in now to develop them.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Sorry but your talking balls again
Kane was the kid who had scored goals in the championship for millwall and was starting for the England under 21 team. He also had played 10 games the year before and scored 3 goals which is decent for a young player coming in to the squad (16 goals in 64 loan appearances too)
Rose had been on loan at Sunderland and was their player of the year
Walker had already been in the PFA team kf the season as had jan
Eriksen was widely regarded as one of the best young players in his position in Europe
Demebele was a bit of an enigma I’d agree. No one was quite sure what kind of player he was
Remember having an argument with a mate when sherwood played him at the end of the season. He thought kane was brick. I thought he was like sheringham. Turns out we were both wrong. Next season he was class. Before poch arrived.
I also remember the rumour that sherwood had a big bust up with baldini. Sherwood saying you couldn't recognise a good player. Ofcourse most spurs fans hatec sherwood cause he was working class and may have supported arsenal as a kid, thought he was wrong. Yet it was sherwoods players rather than baldinis (bar eriksen) that poch turned to.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
No chance! He only played that season because Soldado was shockingly bad! He might have shown some promise but class is stretching it. I guarantee no spurs fan was seeing Kane as one of the top players that Poch was inheriting in 2014.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Scary ain’t it
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Poch didn’t want to play him either did he
It was fans calling for him to start
I remember it well
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Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Poch made his playing selections based on who the fans thought was good? More likely he was giving the old guard a chance to play themselves into his plans.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
I agree
But he didn’t start Kane until way into the season
The fans were jeering and complaining a lot as the fans at the ground wanted Kane to start
Poch even said himself Kane scoring that lucky free kick kept him in his job (in jest but semi serious)
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
I didn't want to rehash old arguments again but...
Rose- even his own fans didn't think he amounted to much. Being POY at Sunderland is not exactly a ringing endorsement when your competition is Craig Gardner and Phil Bardsley ( yes I had to Google them).
Eriksen - no more than an exciting prospect, reflected in his transfer fee and wages. By that measure Jose should have made Ndombele and Lo Celso world beaters.
Walker- I'll give you him.
Jan- yes ok
Kane, no one saw what he would become under Poch. He was a perennial loanee. Had Soldado not been such a bomb, or Adebayor even a little less flaky, we would probably have never heard of Harry Kane. Let alone the world class player we see today because Poch enabled him to be come that player.
Dembele- see Rose.
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SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Again that’s opinions
But rose was at Sunderland better than any left back we had by some way
The guy went there spans was class
Other teams wanted to sign him
Eriksen was much much more than prospect (he won out POTY a the season before a Poch joined)
Far more successful clubs than us wanted him before hand but he saw us as a stepping stone to them with more scope for him to develop
Kane was far from a perennial loanee. He was 19 in his last loan in 2013,p. He was a kid then
I do 100% agree none of us saw him become the player he has but people talk like he was nothing before Poch which is odd. He scored on his debut IIRc and the next game too. He scored almost a goal a game at youth level by the way. He just wasn’t hyped
Walker and jan were already class as you agree
We had the France captain here too in goal
We had the foundations of a bell of a team but not the coach to take the next season with the players. Poch did just that. He inherited the basis of a great side and made the most of it (which is partly why it crumbled)
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
But by that measure, Jose also inherited the heart of a great side, better arguably than the one Poch inherited and did nothing with it.
Methinks that it was a little bit more to Poch's success than just "lucking" into a good teaam.
You forget for every Jan there was a Chiriches and Wimmer, for every Dembele there was a Paulinho and Stambouli. There was also Kaboul, Ade Soldado. Many more problems than Jose had when he took hold of Spurs and after last Summer's transfer window. More problems imho than will face the next Spurs manager too.