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Next Manager?

@Mr Gogolak just to respond back to your ‘why Poch?’ post.

Part of it is the myth, the romance, how unique of a character he is, but part of it is just the real pragmatic idea that it makes a load of sense. As Gold says, the ideal profile is him.

And it’s just the feeling that letting him go was a huge mistake that led to two years of misery that can be rectified, and everyone can be back in their rightful place. It’s not that he is a GHod, it’s that he’s a special person that valued building something with us, and was sacked when he had more than earned the opportunity to turn it around

It’s really unlikely it happens unless Spurs have really changed. If we jumped back in without changes, the second failure would be terrible. But if we’ve gone away, we’ve learned what we had, and we trust his ideas on players in and out, I think it’s the right thing for us and him. ZZ went back to Real. It happens. Some people just need to recharge.
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
@Mr Gogolak just to respond back to your ‘why Poch?’ post.

Part of it is the myth, the romance, how unique of a character he is, but part of it is just the real pragmatic idea that it makes a load of sense. As Gold says, the ideal profile is him.

And it’s just the feeling that letting him go was a huge mistake that led to two years of misery that can be rectified, and everyone can be back in their rightful place. It’s not that he is a GHod, it’s that he’s a special person that valued building something with us, and was sacked when he had more than earned the opportunity to turn it around

It’s really unlikely it happens unless Spurs have really changed. If we jumped back in without changes, the second failure would be terrible. But if we’ve gone away, we’ve learned what we had, and we trust his ideas on players in and out, I think it’s the right thing for us and him. ZZ went back to Real. It happens. Some people just need to recharge.
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He needs to have changed as well, easy enough to say Levy needs to give him money

- He needs to work with a DoF/Levy or someone on players he can incorporate quickly
- He needs to loan out players he's not using, Skipp/Sess have benefited greatly this year where they wouldn't have under Poch
- He needs to be less dismissive of lesser cups (e.g. if he came in, try to win the UEFA Conference Cup), albeit with Levy understanding there is a trade off with PL.
- He's got to figure out how to avoid the older players from losing buy in (Toby/Eriksen examples)
- He's got to be better with injury players (some will not agree but I think he could have had better approaches with Dembele, Lamela and I'm not sure how he would handle Bale)

As I said it before, just don't see it .. yet

The only thing I could see to change the timeline is if Kane & Son would commit to new contracts if he returned (and I don't know if he could convince them)
 
Raziel said:
He needs to have changed as well, easy enough to say Levy needs to give him money

- He needs to work with a DoF/Levy or someone on players he can incorporate quickly
- He needs to loan out players he's not using, Skipp/Sess have benefited greatly this year where they wouldn't have under Poch
- He needs to be less dismissive of lesser cups (e.g. if he came in, try to win the UEFA Conference Cup), albeit with Levy understanding there is a trade off with PL.
- He's got to figure out how to avoid the older players from losing buy in (Toby/Eriksen examples)
- He's got to be better with injury players (some will not agree but I think he could have had better approaches with Dembele, Lamela and I'm not sure how he would handle Bale)

As I said it before, just don't see it .. yet

The only thing I could see to change the timeline is if Kane & Son would commit to new contracts if he returned (and I don't know if he could convince them)
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Agreed on lesser trophies.

I think the other points are more complex. Pep would argue keeping Foden around benefitted him more. I’m not saying I don’t see the benefit, particularly as we move from building a squad of potential to a squad of ‘winners’, in loaning out some good youth though. I think Skipp and Sess would get a chance under him now.

Agree to an extent on the older players. But I think this also comes back to what I think the club would need to; it’s not about money as much as being decisive with sales as well as buys. This is something SAF got which allowed him to maintain his authority. Eriksen and Toby wanted out and I agree there is probably something there that Poch could learn from / alter in his approach going forward, similarly I think we should have moved them out when we had the chance. I don’t necessarily disagree with you on this point, I just think it’s complex. Poch’s whole thing is having complete buy in which creates the unity. If that fractured, we need to get it back. How much that should come from sales versus his ability to get them back in, who knows.

Anyway, all moot, it won’t happen. Got to keep myself grounded about this.
 
Raziel said:
He needs to have changed as well, easy enough to say Levy needs to give him money

- He needs to work with a DoF/Levy or someone on players he can incorporate quickly
- He needs to loan out players he's not using, Skipp/Sess have benefited greatly this year where they wouldn't have under Poch
- He needs to be less dismissive of lesser cups (e.g. if he came in, try to win the UEFA Conference Cup), albeit with Levy understanding there is a trade off with PL.
- He's got to figure out how to avoid the older players from losing buy in (Toby/Eriksen examples)
- He's got to be better with injury players (some will not agree but I think he could have had better approaches with Dembele, Lamela and I'm not sure how he would handle Bale)

As I said it before, just don't see it .. yet

The only thing I could see to change the timeline is if Kane & Son would commit to new contracts if he returned (and I don't know if he could convince them)
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Id add rotation to that, burnout to the squad was real - then we have undercooked players coming in
 
BrainOfLevy said:
@Mr Gogolak just to respond back to your ‘why Poch?’ post.

Part of it is the myth, the romance, how unique of a character he is, but part of it is just the real pragmatic idea that it makes a load of sense. As Gold says, the ideal profile is him.

And it’s just the feeling that letting him go was a huge mistake that led to two years of misery that can be rectified, and everyone can be back in their rightful place. It’s not that he is a GHod, it’s that he’s a special person that valued building something with us, and was sacked when he had more than earned the opportunity to turn it around

It’s really unlikely it happens unless Spurs have really changed. If we jumped back in without changes, the second failure would be terrible. But if we’ve gone away, we’ve learned what we had, and we trust his ideas on players in and out, I think it’s the right thing for us and him. ZZ went back to Real. It happens. Some people just need to recharge.
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Yes, I get the idea and, again, to each, their own but I still find it... strange, for lack of a better word.

The idea that he's the ideal candidate also looks completely preposterous, to tell it like it is for me. Basically, people have constructed that profile from Pochettino's and then, surprise, surprise, he fits his own profile. That's great news. Now, here's another profile: a proven winner, who's worked with the best players out there and can attract them based on his reputation, who knows how to build a solid defense and who speaks Portuguese. He could also have a strong but controversial personality to draw the attention away from the players. Ring a bell?

Ah yes, he's failed miserably but that's because the club failed to back him properly. If we'd signed Dias, Fernandes, Messi and Skriniar, we'd be fine. Maybe we should give it another try?

Again, I understand the goodwill and all that but, from where I stand (and I'm sorry if that sounds offensive - I don't mean to be rude, it's just the way I see it), it looks like kids who don't want to taste new food because they already know they love their pasta. What's the point of trying anything else? Let's have pasta every day of the week!

For me (and, again, I stress it's only my opinion as I understand it's a sensitive subject), that's not how things work. When we appointed Pochettino in the first place, nobody would have guessed how far he (and that squad) would take us. And yet he did. Who's to say now that Potter or Rangnick or Gasperini or Ten Hag or somebody else who hasn't been mentioned yet isn't going to take us even further? But we'll never know for sure if we keep coming back to Pochettino.

I'm guessing it all boils down to whether you think he was a couple of signings away from winning a big prize. I see no hard fact that supports that theory, only blind faith in the man.

Mind you, my opinion would be completely different if we were flirting with relegation. Then we'd need someone to steady the ship, preferably someone who knows the club inside out. Then, he'd be my first choice, without the shadow of a doubt. But it's a completely different moment: we're on the verge of a new cycle, we need to replace a huge part of this squad and begin a new chapter and, for me, the worst thing we could do is begin it with the guy who symbolically wrote the last sentence of the previous one.
 
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Mr Gogolak said:
Yes, I get the idea and, again, to each, their own but I still find it... strange, for lack of a better word.

The idea that he's the ideal candidate also looks completely preposterous, to tell it like it is for me. Basically, people have constructed that profile from Pochettino's and then, surprise, surprise, he fits his own profile. That's great news. Now, here's another profile: a proven winner, who's worked with the best players out there and can attract them based on his reputation, who knows how to build a solid defense and who speaks Portuguese. He could also have a strong but controversial personality to draw the attention away from the players. Ring a bell?

Ah yes, he's failed miserably but that's because the club failed to back him properly. If we'd signed Dias, Fernandes, Messi and Skriniar, we'd be fine. Maybe we should give it another try?

Again, I understand the goodwill and all that but, from where I stand (and I'm sorry if that sounds offensive - I don't mean to be rude, it's just the way I see it), it looks like kids who don't want to taste new food because they already know they love their pasta. What's the point of trying anything else? Let's have pasta every of the week!

For me (and, again, I stress it's only my opinion as I understand it's a sensitive subject), that's not how things work. When we appointed Pochettino in the first place, nobody would have guessed how far he (and that squad) would take us. And yet he did. Who's to say now that Potter or Rangnick or Gasperini or Ten Hag or somebody else who hasn't been mentioned yet isn't going to take us even further? But we'll never know for sure if we keep coming back to Pochettino.

I'm guessing it all boils down to whether you think he was a couple of signings away from winning a big prize. I see no hard fact that supports that theory, only blind faith in the man.

Mind you, my opinion would be completely different if we were flirting with relegation. Then we'd need someone to steady the ship, preferably someone who knows the club inside out. Then, he'd be my first choice, without the shadow of a doubt. But it's a completely different moment: we're on the verge of a new cycle, we need to replace a huge part of this squad and begin a new chapter and, for me, the worst thing we could do is begin it with the guy who symbolically wrote the last sentence of the previous one.
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And that's why supporters should not make decisions, because it will almost always go the emotional/nostalgia route

It should be a clean restart, new project, old players out, new manager in ..
 
glorygloryeze said:
Did Poh really give our youngsters that many chances to play though?
Tanganga was nowehere to be seen before Jose, ditto Skipp etc
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I don't think Tanganga should be in the first team picture now. I know he's homegrown and all that but I just don't see the quality there. Skipp was still too young to have played a part while Poch was here really. I think if we'd been in the Europa League instead of the Champions League then we would've likely seen more young players but there are no gimme's in CL football. We did see quite a few of the young players under Poch in the League Cup and they went out and got beat by Colchester United....
 
Raziel said:
And that's why supporters should not make decisions, because it will almost always go the emotional/nostalgia route

It should be a clean restart, new project, old players out, new manager in ..
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So, Potter, ten hag, allegri, mancini? Interesting van gaal refused coming to us, was it he didn't like the way we set up and transfers?
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Yeah, right... I bet he's got a few with Real Madrid on Football Manager, too. I meant zero titles with Spurs but kudos for winning a pointless competition. Take any Dinamo Zagreb manager from the last 20 years and they've got plenty of silverware too.



I don't know about sensible but which of these clubs have rehired one of their former managers? I think Bayern did, certainly with Heynckes and maybe with Hitzfeld too.
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Apologies for stepping in to correct an errant point made. I didn't make any reference as to how 'important' the trophy was, just stated that it wasn't correct to say that he'd won zero trophies as manager.
 
Mcfee said:
Well I didn’t say “obviously”, but unless you have inside info who’s to say we’re not already on our 4th or 5th choice?

e.g. let’s imagine ..

Nagelsmann said no
Conte said no
Ten-Hag said no
Rodgers said no
Next?

Pure speculation but not all that moreso than the idea that we’ve sat back for 6 weeks waiting for the “right” candidate to become available to interview and/or coordinate with the appointment of a DoF at the same time.
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I think it is probably quite likely that we are at least a few notches down our targets list now. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I'd rather we tried to get the best people and failed than simply accepted a second rate manager right from the start.
 
AdamB said:
Where did that appear and why do you think its related to a new manager? I get the all-Argie thing....but dont see the link to a new manager...

If it is....Poch, Bielsa, Gallardo,....
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It was on Spurs twitter an hour or so ago. I think it's Argentina's equivalent of St George's day today. But doing stuff like that is also nudge theory tactics
 
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