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Mitt Romney the next new leader of the free world!!!

Absolutely my personal enmity towards him was confirmed when you saw the amazing flip flopping. On every issue. Constantly. The man has zero conviction on any issue. fudge him.

The lowest of the low in this arena (and pretty much most arenas) isn't it...
 
Right, and he's really stayed genuine and true to what he promised. He also had zero record to speak of, so he could really say whatever the hell he wanted.

How on earth could he doing anything with the house consistently interested only in crushing what he was trying to do? Say what you like about the man, and it's clear that you have, you cannot accuse him of flip-flopping. He is the first President to actually deliver on some form of national healthcare coverage despite the sort of opposition which is usually reserved for people who are trying to kill populations not cover them with health benefits! By and large he has delivered the very most he could in the circumstances he has been given...
 
Your lack of knowledge about the American political system is shining through. You can't honestly think that the Democrats are made, can you? They have a very short leash. You can't honestly think a party with so much money and influence in it, the Republicans, aren't going to retool and be back for a fight in two years, can you? You're naive if you do. Last night was a win for Obama and the Democrats, and now the onus is on them to fix the country. We'll see how they do, but this isn't a one party country, despite what you think over there. There are lot of angry people after last night, and they'll be scheming for retribution.

And there we are. You know that's simply not true. The onus is on the house to actually commit to genuinely meeting them halfway so as the President can get on with what needs to be done, but as I've pointed out earlier, it won't happen. because it's a blame game. If they help him now, then they cannot spend gazillions in 4 years time telling everyone what he hasn't done!!!!
 
First off, I admire Ron Paul's honesty. That's it though. I completely disagree with libertarian economic policy, especially going back to the gold standard. The notion that the free market only lacks the freedom to operate without government bearing down on it in order to succeed is a myth. We all witnessed what happens when there's a lack of regulation.

Richie, let me ask you something if you don't mind. Where do you get all your US political news coverage from? Is it from sources like the BBC, or local ones from the US?

I know healthcare is controversial. I asked you guys some questions about single-payer systems because I'm honestly not sure about the specifics: will we be able to keep the same level of care, will costs be reduced if everyone has to buy into it, etc. The argument that it's unconstitutional for health care to be mandated is a bit of a dated one for me, since having everyone paying into it will reduce its costs. And for me, it makes so much more logistical sense. Your government provides your healthcare so you don't have to worry about how you're covered when you have to switch jobs, are fired or laid-off, or your company decides to switch plans. That way, I thought that business won't have to worry about contributing into health care since it's already taken care of through taxes. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things, but this seems infinitely more intuitive than our current system. Plus, everyone being covered would mean more preventative care which should theoretically lower costs over the long run.

The right-wing has expended lots of resources to demonize Obamacare. The name Obamacare itself carried with it a negative connotation, but part of the blame goes to Obama himself for not completely owning healthcare reform when it was passed and selling it to the American people. He didn't include us in the conversation. However, over the long-term Obamacare will eliminate wasteful spending within the healthcare industry. This is a form of reducing spending with a long-term arc, but I'm always asking if there's something more that could have been done.
Medicare will have its costs cut by $716 billion, which won't actually affect the care that's provided. This is, by the way, the same number that the Ryan plan reached.

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Look Richie, you're right in that this won't kickstart the economy but it will tackle some of our long-term spending problems. But to overlook what this healthcare reform will do for Americans without coverage seems a bit cynical to me. 33 million more Americans will have coverage in 10 years. If the first duty of the POTUS is to serve and protect his citizens, I can't imagine a more noble undertaking than this.
 
I truly hope that there will be a third party with some power in the near future. Bloomberg is the guy to do it, if he has the drive. Not saying he's the right candidate, but he has the funds, and he's an independent. Regardless, I think a more moderate Romney would have absolutely won this election. Obama didn't win this election because people still love him, he won because people thought he was the lesser of two evils. Sure, there are some idiots in this country that think Obama's done a great job, but I like to think (hope) that they are in the minority. No racial pun intended.

Romney was a victim of the system, and Leeds blames Romney for that, but I don't. The blame lies solely with the Republican party. Romney wanted to be the candidate, and the only way to be the candidate now is to pander. It's the way it is. You can criticize his character for it, but any politician with ambition (including Obama), would do what needed to be done.

That said, if Romney didn't have to go so far to the right to appease the evangelical Republican base to win the early primaries, he would have been able to stay more to the center. I saw polls that said that the majority of voters last night felt Romney was better equipped to handle the economic crisis than Obama. Yet, he still lost. And that's because you still have people voting on other issues, and frankly, the Republicans have gone too far right when it comes to social issues. They're going to have to reassess in a serious way, and I think, unless Obama and the Democrats work some magic by 2014, you're going to see the Republicans take more seats in the House/Senate, and win in 2016 with Christie or Rubio on the ticket (or both).

There's not enough room for Christie and anyone else on a ticket, bwahahaha.
I agree with (most of) this post. If Republicans weren't the party of the angry white male, they'd actually have a case. That, and if they didn't divorce themselves from facts. That one also alienates people. You can't watch Fox News with a straight face, nor could you do the same when listening to Romney's "plan" to fix our economy. You remember the line he had about creating 12 million jobs? Please tell me how that is not flimflam. He took three completely separate studies that forecast job growth, and then he added the numbers together. Maybe if those jobs were specific to certain industries, but that's not what the studies were looking into.

Furthermore, please tell me how the economic policy of trickle-down works, unless you disagree with it. The evidence was right in front of us in the past TWELVE YEARS. We still have those lowered tax rates from the Bush administration, but no, we need to double-down on this policy and lower taxes even further? This is not the path of fiscal responsibility. This is the most cynical form of deception ever to scare our citizens into thinking that the wealthy people at the top are interested in helping us, if only they weren't so burdened with the LOWEST TAXES IN DECADES. And that's not even including the fact that people like Romney pay 15% on their income. And that was only for the year he released his returns, so who knows how much he paid in years prior. This is not the party of the people, but the party of the plutocrat.

Hell yeah they're going to have to reassess and recalibrate. They're so out of touch, and they've convinced half the nation that their destructive policies are sound. In the primaries, the candidates were asked whether they would take $10 of spending cuts for $1 in tax increases. It's not a mystery that these candidates will say anything to get elected, so blame who you want to. Why blame the party when you can also blame the party's base for agreeing with such asinine measures?

I'm going to disagree with you about why I voted. I didn't vote only because of the social issues. This point insults me. I do concede that some people do only vote on those issues but don't put us all in the same boat. My dad owns a small business where I work with him. I care VERY much about the economy, especially competition with China and other low-cost countries. I have a stake in it. You're right in that Obama is the lesser of two evils, but honestly, he's not been that bad. He's still a politician though so the hope is that since he doesn't have to worry about re-election any more, he can be more progressive and more true to his values. You're also right in that if we don't get our brick together (and by we I mean Dems and Repubs), the Democrats could lose even more ground in the House and Senate.

But please stop the myth about Obama and the Democrats not willing to reach across the aisle to work with the Republicans. This could not be further from the truth. We have witnessed a Republican party has been absolutely unwilling to compromise as evidenced by the debt-ceiling standoff and the payroll tax standoff. If you want to blame Obama, whatever, but no blame is given to Congress for not creating any jobs bills? The president is an easy spacegoat, I suppose, but give blame where blame is due.
 
And there we are. You know that's simply not true. The onus is on the house to actually commit to genuinely meeting them halfway so as the President can get on with what needs to be done, but as I've pointed out earlier, it won't happen. because it's a blame game. If they help him now, then they cannot spend gazillions in 4 years time telling everyone what he hasn't done!!!!

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I take that at face value. Sure, you could argue that because he doesn't agree with Obama that he'd want him out of office ASAP, but you know that's flimflam.
 
What an epic rant from Rush Limbaugh. Very, very, very long.

In a Nation of Children, Santa Claus Wins
November 07, 2012


I can handle it. Okay, all right. So nobody wants to come sit in my chair today. Greetings, my friends. What happened? That's what we're going to try to find out. We're not gotta be able to explain this away in one day. We're gonna get close. We are not gonna be able to come up with all the answers and solutions in one day, but I want to try to take you through the night for me last night, various thoughts that I had as things happened, beginning with my getting and receiving the exit polls at five o'clock.

But first, let me tell you, small things beat big things yesterday. Conservatism, in my humble opinion, did not lose last night. It's just very difficult to beat Santa Claus. It is practically impossible to beat Santa Claus. People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus.

Now, everybody is jumping on Romney's chain today, getting in his chili. Look, he may have not been the most optimal candidate, but he's a fine man. He would have been great for this country. Mitt Romney and his family would have been the essence of exactly what this country needs. But what was Romney's recipe? Romney's recipe was the old standby: American route to success, hard work. That gets sneered at. I'm sorry. In a country of children where the option is Santa Claus or work, what wins? And say what you want, but Romney did offer a vision of traditional America. In his way, he put forth a great vision of traditional America, and it was rejected. It was rejected in favor of a guy who thinks that those who are working aren't doing enough to help those who aren't. And that resonated.

The Obama campaign was about small stuff. War on Women, binders, Big Bird, this kind of stuff. The Romney campaign was about big things, was about America. It's mind-boggling to go through these exit polls. You want to hear a statistic that is somewhat surprising? Romney received two and a half million fewer votes than McCain did. Now, who would have called that? Who in the world would have? I think Obama's vote tally was down ten million from 2008, and we still lost. We lost 50 to 48 nationally. We were not able to build a turnout model that looked like 2004. Very puzzling.

Something else. Just stream of consciousness here. The usual suspects are out, and they're saying, "Rush, we gotta reach out now to the Hispanics and reach out to the minorities, blacks." Okay, let me remind you of something. Just ask you a question. And we will be getting your phone calls of course today, you weigh in on this, 800-282-2882 is the number. Let me take you back to the Republican convention. We had Suzanne Martinez, female Hispanic governor, New Mexico. We had Condoleezza Rice, African-American, former secretary of state. Both of those people imminently qualified, terrifically achieved. They have reached the pinnacles of their profession.

We had Marco Rubio. We had a parade of minorities who have become successful Americans. And they all had a common story: up from nothing, hard work, their parents sacrificed for them. Now, why didn't that work, folks? The answer to that is our future. Why didn't it work? Some people say, "Well, Rush, we pandered." No, we didn't pander. Everybody says that we need to reach out to minorities. We have plenty of highly achieved minorities in our party, and they are in prominent positions, and they all have a common story. They all came from nothing. Their parents came from nothing. They worked hard. They told those stories with great pride. Those stories evoked tears. It didn't work. And don't tell me that people didn't watch the convention or people didn't see it. I mean, there's a reason it doesn't work.

I went to bed last night thinking we're outnumbered. I went to bed last night thinking all this discussion we'd had about this election being the election that will tell us whether or not we've lost the country. I went to bed last night thinking we've lost the country. I don't know how else you look at this. The first wave of exit polls came in at 5 p.m. I looked at it, I read the first two pages, and I said to myself, "This is utter BS." And I forwarded the exit poll data that I had to three or four people, and my message to each of them, "This is utter BS, and if it isn't, then we've lost the country." Let me take you through some of it.

Based on early exit polls, Obama is locked in a tight race with Governor Romney. Nationally we believe the race to be as tight as it could be, and to the extent that Obama is running strong and can win, it is because they see him as someone who cares about people like them. They feel he did a very good job in the response to Hurricane Sandy. When I saw that, I thought this thing is starting to read like a Democrat campaign speech, this exit poll data. Hurricane Sandy and the aftermath and the way Obama handled that, what did Obama do? He showed up one day, he bear hugged Chris Christie, and then he left. The situation on the ground is devastating, and yet Obama triumphs in the exit polls with that.

He successfully painted Romney's policies as caring primarily about the rich. He successfully convinced roughly half the country that his policies will favor the middle class. Now, measure that against reality. The reality is that the economy of this country is crumbling. The unemployment situation is worsening. The debt situation is worsening. Everything for the very people who think Obama's gonna help them is getting worse, and yet they told the exit poll people that they thought Obama's the best guy to handle
Obamacare.

A majority of people like Obamacare in the exit poll. That goes against everything we've ever heard in any poll. Voters trust him more than Romney in an international crisis. What? How in the world can that be? In a rational, intelligent world, how can that be? "He's running very strong with African-Americans, Latinos, and women. If he wins, this data will be consistent with stories about the changing nature of US demographics."

And I saw this next one. This is the one that made me think this exit poll was BS. I just, intellectually, had trouble with this one. "More than half the people who voted yesterday said that they still blame Bush for the economy." More than half the people who...? After four years! Well, now, what is the answer to this? How in the world do you deal with this? There are ways, and we didn't do them. There were too many assumptions made about what the American people thought, about what they knew.

Too many assumptions were made. But look, I don't want to nitpick the campaign today. That's not the point. There are larger things here at work. "Roughly half voters want the health care law as it is or expanded, and they are voting for Obama." Really? I haven't seen a poll like that anywhere. Every poll -- every poll! -- I have seen on Obamacare features a majority and close to 60% who don't like it, but this is an exit poll of people who voted.

"People who say they are looking for a strong leader and someone who has more of a vision for the future support Romney. Romney even wins among voters voting for 'a candidate who shares my values.' Voters believe the economy's weak and Romney will be better able to manage the economy." Now, this is for people the exit pollers say, this is the reason if Romney wins. This is why. Well, obviously, those people were vastly outnumbered, which is where we are today.

We're outnumbered.

One of the greatest misunderstandings in this country, if you boil all this down, is what creates prosperity. The Romney campaign was essentially about that, and the Romney campaign was devoted to the traditional American view and history -- vision, as well -- of what creates prosperity. The old capitalism, the old arguments of hard work, stick-to-itiveness, self-reliance, charity, helping out in the community.

All of these things that define the traditional institutions that made this country great, that's what the Romney campaign was about. It was rejected. That way, or that route to prosperity was sneered at. That route to prosperity was rejected. The people who voted for Obama don't believe in it. They don't think it's possible. They think the game's rigged. They think the deck is stacked against them.

They think that the only way they're gonna have a chance for anything is if somebody comes along and takes from somebody else and gives it to them. Santa Claus! And it's hard to beat Santa Claus. Especially it's hard to beat Santa Claus when the alternative is, "You be your own Santa Claus." "Oh, no! I'm not doing that. What do you mean, I have to be my own Santa Claus? No, no. No, no, no. I want to get up every day and go to the tree. You're the elves," meaning us.

You throw Hurricane Sandy in here. I must admit, I am genuinely puzzled that Hurricane Sandy and the aftermath helped Obama and hurt Romney. But it did. According to the exit polls. I mean, what they say is what they say. The polls were right on the money, as it turned out. But until people understand why and how big government reduces prosperity for all, they're gonna continue to be fooled by little things.

By marketing, by smooth talkers, by faux compassion. So we'll see what happens with the economy as we go forward. Some people think, "Hey, Rush, the economy is resilient in this country, and it's gonna naturally rebound. No matter what." There are people today scared the economy is going to rebound despite what's happening in the stock market today and Obama's policies are gonna get credit for it.

A bunch of libs are salivating over that. They think the economy is gonna come back no matter what, and that Obama's big government is going to end up being the explanation for the rest of our lives as to how that happened. Just like in Japan, just like in Greece. But look, you bring up Greece and you bring up Europe, and they're where we're headed. Their problems are acute.

The difference is that none of those European countries are anywhere near the leading economy of the world like we are. The world depends on what happens here. The world does not depend on what happens in Spain or Greece or Italy. Not to put them down. But regardless, wherever you go... Look at Greece. Whenever necessary austerity measures are proposed, what happens?

"No, you don't! You're not taking it away from me!" There is no rising to responsibility. There is no accepting responsibility. There's just a demand that the gravy train continue, and we have an administration that's promising an endless gravy train. All you have to do to stay on that gravy train is vote. But it doesn't matter.

The thing that's mind-boggling is that there is no new prosperity in America. There is no improved standard of living. It's all going down. "But Obama cares. He really cares! He cares much more than Romney. He really, really cares. In fact, he cares so much, we're gonna give him a do-over. We're gonna give him a second term to do what we know he wanted to do in the first term but wasn't able to for whatever reason."
 
I have no idea what the hell the point is that he's trying to make there.
...parade of minorities... stuck out for me though. Seriously, conservatives are meme machines. Also, way to miss the point completely. Maybe having the architect of the Arizona immigration laws in an advisory position for the Romney campaign didn't resonate so well with Hispanic voters.
When you can namedrop ALL the minorities in your party, that's not a sign of diversity.

Did Rush say that he and the conservatives are the elves? I have to agree with him because they just keep delivering gifts like this for me. Although Rush has more the physique of Santa, but maybe Karl Rove with a white beard and the Fox News desk as his sleigh deer.
 
Why is the Arizona immigration law fundamentally seen as 'bad' - surely illegal leaching maggots have no place in any country.
 
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I have no idea what the hell the point is that he's trying to make there.
...parade of minorities... stuck out for me though. Seriously, conservatives are meme machines. Also, way to miss the point completely. Maybe having the architect of the Arizona immigration laws in an advisory position for the Romney campaign didn't resonate so well with Hispanic voters.
When you can namedrop ALL the minorities in your party, that's not a sign of diversity.

Did Rush say that he and the conservatives are the elves? I have to agree with him because they just keep delivering gifts like this for me. Although Rush has more the physique of Santa, but maybe Karl Rove with a white beard and the Fox News desk as his sleigh deer.

What he doesn't get is Rice and her ilk are seen as traitors to their race. They are blacks and Hispanic that act white, so they're acceptable. Rice is a nice republican 'house n***a'.

They would never have minorities opening espousing their gayness or blackness. Tories are slowly evolving. I've been to local meetings and its the silly old ****s out in force. But the numbers are changing and socially liberal conservatives who are comfortable around minorities and gays are the norm in our age group.

I hope Limbaugh dies of an overdose. Fat bloated piece of human excrement.
 
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