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Mauricio Pochettino

Bedfordspurs said:
His one trick was press, press press
The 3 at the back move was a genuine tactical change but he changed back for some reason
And if Llorente was that plan B why did he let him leave this summer knowing we had no one else
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A) Like I said, I don't agree with that. Even our pressing varied across games and seasons - from the reckless pressing of 14/15 and 15/16, to the 'full court' press of 16/17, and then a gradual tapering off into targeted pressing in key action zones in 17/18 and 18/19, corresponding with Dembele's decline and the fall in team quality.

B) He changed back to 3 at the back as well - I think it's more that he used 3-atb and the 4-man backline interchangeably. Which is pretty tactically flexible, I'm sure you'd agree.

C) I don't know, but my guesses are that either a) Levy didn't want to give him an extension on account of his age, or b) his legs had gone. Do I think Poch was happy without a replacement? No.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I think he does - by all accounts, he's a leader in United's dressing room and an influence on the younger players. And, as you mention, the 'show us your medals' effect is very valuable, as is having a tactical lieutenant on the field (as Dier once was for Poch).

I agree he's a bit limited, but I think he would work in a similar situation to when we signed Davids. And it's interesting that the players didn't think much of Davids when he arrived - I will point out that we didn't think much of many of them as well. :p
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Do you remember when Cambiasso did that season at Leicester...helped them massively.
 
DubaiSpur said:
A) Like I said, I don't agree with that. Even our pressing varied across games and seasons - from the reckless pressing of 14/15 and 15/16, to the 'full court' press of 16/17, and then a gradual tapering off into targeted pressing in key action zones in 17/18 and 18/19, corresponding with Dembele's decline and the fall in team quality.

B) He changed back to 3 at the back as well - I think it's more that he used 3-atb and the 4-man backline interchangeably. Which is pretty tactically flexible, I'm sure you'd agree.

C) I don't know, but my guesses are that either a) Levy didn't want to give him an extension on account of his age, or b) his legs had gone. Do I think Poch was happy without a replacement? No.
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Poch made the call to let Llorente go. That was reported at the time. We can’t just keep on blaming Levy for Poch mistakes again surely....
Yes 4 or 3 can be flexible with the right players. Poch coached Dier to do that which was hugely key to how we played
The pressing was influential and key for his success. Question has to be why did it stop
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
The strategies and philosophies could easily be fine (it took us close enough), you probably need a better level or certain type of players(s) to to take you that bit further.

Think Keane at United or when Sir Alex dropped Cantona in there or when he bought RVP just to win the league again.

We can't moan too much though as we've had a world class forward fall in our lap and we have had plenty of top class players move thru but as we were still a feeder club had to cash in. They never got to play together over a long period.
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It’s fine lines and also being ruthless. Poch wasn’t IMO ruthless enough (the Danny Rose situation is classic), big maybe he felt he couldn’t be ruthless as he didn’t know who the replacements would be ...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It’s fine lines and also being ruthless. Poch wasn’t IMO ruthless enough (the Danny Rose situation is classic), big maybe he felt he couldn’t be ruthless as he didn’t know who the replacements would be ...
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Good point. You have to keep people sweet (even if you don't want too) just in case it puts you in a hole. Much more of a juggling act than Sir Alex had for example. Plus Pochs character is more caring (maybe too much so) and as we can see, emotion plays a big part for him. He's always said he care about the players whole life, inside and outside the game.

I think what's slightly annoying is we are (or have) headed towards that top table club level where you can make decisions that you really want to make because the money and support are there. And just as we get there....he's gone:(
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Maybe the key is bringing in an experienced player into an average side can help. We’re not a average side though despite what some fans think
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I agree to a point but if it's to mentally help us (we could be an average team at that?), a catalyst, then perhaps it's a good thing?

Don't ask me to name anyone though :)
 
Raziel said:
Honest question to you and the others who have responded to this .. why?

How is it going to turn out different, how will it do anything but tarnish the shine further? If he had quit after the CL final, he would be seen with no downside (we would have forgiven the end of the PL season easily). To come back after his final year almost was a train wreck to do what?

Now, if he went to manage a bigger club than us, bagged a bunch of trophies and then decided at his peak, he had unfinished business, then maybe I understand. But Poch the manager today is the same guy that needs to learn how to cross the line in the moments that matter, not to operate on emotion only, how to keep the senior players bought in, how to add to a squad quickly (not require a year+ for players to adapt)

Poch is the pretty ex you broke up with before it got truly bad, so you can both still recall the best moments .. those things are best left that way.
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This, if he wants another crack he has to go and prove himself elsewhere, show he has improved, that he can succeed where he previously failed.
 
My take on Poch is I believe he needs to learn how to win and get teams over the line, be more adaptable and learn how to manage situations better such as player contracts and not freezing them out purely because they are in a negotiation with the club which has nothing to do with the manager and improve his in game management. Specifically making better use of substitutions and not treat them like they are a last resort. They are an incredibly useful tool that can change games. Stubbornly railing against them because it might hurt someone’s feelings is something that he needs to get over.

Also think he needs to be more ruthless when it comes to benching players. He was too loyal to players like Alli and Lloris who should have been benched when they were consistently underperforming.

So to sum up, overall his period of time at Spurs cannot be viewed as anything other than a resounding success. I do not think that is even debatable. That said I’d like to see him improve before he comes back. But I absolutely would take him back.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I agree to a point but if it's to mentally help us (we could be an average team at that?), a catalyst, then perhaps it's a good thing?

Don't ask me to name anyone though :)
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Always though Bale could do that
Someone who has got the medals but isn’t a prick
Issue is the wages
Maybe that’s why we’re being linked to some older players now
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Good point. You have to keep people sweet (even if you don't want too) just in case it puts you in a hole. Much more of a juggling act than Sir Alex had for example. Plus Pochs character is more caring (maybe too much so) and as we can see, emotion plays a big part for him. He's always said he care about the players whole life, inside and outside the game.

I think what's slightly annoying is we are (or have) headed towards that top table club level where you can make decisions that you really want to make because the money and support are there. And just as we get there....he's gone:(
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I would have gladly kept him in charge and just suffered through the changes
IMO he earned that right
But it’s easier changing the man in changes rather than the whole team and that’s the route we have taken
I like Mou myself and think given time to mould his team here we will see similarly heights. Big ten football landscape has changed radically in the last 10 weeks who knows What will happen
 
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glasgowspur said:
I'm a great believer in the old never go back adage, but fudge me I would love this.
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Indeed never go back.

Lets remember fondly and be nostalgic about the great times we had during his tenure but it rarely works out second time around.

His legacy is secured.
 
DubaiSpur said:
And, as an addendum, Mourinho says all the right things, but I think he will also be hamstrung by the mentalities of our bunch, as surely as Poch was. This group of players don't have it in them to win things - something drastic will need to change in our squad composition to cross that line.

It's why I don't mind if we sign someone like Matic, even if his legs are going - because, like Edgar Davids did for us back in the day, he will bring us a never-say-die meteorology that is sadly all too rare in this lot at the moment.
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As you know mate i can not / do not agree with your slagging of Levy, but on this point about our players lacking in mental ity i could not agree more and said that several seasons back before we started down the slope.
 
galeforce said:
This, if he wants another crack he has to go and prove himself elsewhere, show he has improved, that he can succeed where he previously failed.
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I agree with this, we all loved Poch ( and i still believe we should have given him to the end of the season) however he lost it at the end ( not all his fault as the players packed it in) but IF ( and unlike some i am not sure he will) he comes back it should be with trophys on his CV.
 
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