He did, you're absolutely right.
Then he took a great big steaming turd on all of it and popped a lemon on top.
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Mauricio Pochettino
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Then he took a great big steaming turd on all of it and popped a lemon on top.
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Luka Modric
You must’ve had a fantastic career in football management mate. I bet you won the quadruple a couple of times on your computer didn’t you?
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Luka Modric
Our wage bill was under 40% of turnover, the lowest ratio in the PL, so even with wages, he had less backing pro-rata than every other PL manager.
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Luka Modric
City had already been in Walker’s ear offering him 3 times his money. Walker threw a strop when he asked for a significant pay hike at Spurs and was told one wasn’t forthcoming.
I think at times he might’ve sold players he would’ve liked to have kept in order to raise funds. Mason for example I think he would’ve kept. Also last season he had both Trippier and Aurier available with whoever raised the biggest fee able to go to raise funds for other transfers. In an ideal world I think he would’ve kept them both until after we’d brought in a new first choice right back but needed to generate funds.
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Luka Modric
I think Isak will be a lot more than £20m now. I mentioned Muriqi in the transfer thread and think he would be perfect. I guess it depends on our budget this summer, I think it is likely to be reduced due to lower league finish, lack of CL next season. I wonder whether it would make sense to sell Ndombele to raise funds if somebody would take him for say £45 million? Or is it possible that his attitude could be sorted out (I think attitudes aren’t a thing easily changed).
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Our funds IMO will be down but I believe we budget around £30/£50m for Europe and we have an upside coming from the new ground which will compensate for that loss
I think we’re looking at similar money to this season with sales although the curve ball was £27m in January. My guess is £100m plus sales
isak has an agreed fee of £30 which to me means we could gazump it with a few £m more to Dortmund (like we did to get Toby)
But I’d gladly take Muriqi. From hat little I’ve seen of him he reminds me of Mitrovic in thats he is a nuisance striker to play again at and that’s part of our problem recently. No one wants to make the defenders work hard
on Ndom... fudge knows!!!
Im a massive fan. I was one of the Geist go say sign him 2 years ago and the guy has all the tools. What he is missing clearly is a mind set to suit this league. It’s fixable but only if he wants to fix it. I hope sissoko has some kind of influence over him as he is his mate and you cannot argue around sissoko attitude not being top notch.
We do know that joss isn’t a forgiving man and that won’t help unfortunately. Date i say Poch would have suited this situation better
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Seriously mate? fudge off ..
Several people have tried to have a legitimate conversation with you, point of views and you circle back to the same stance and then this?
My response could be exactly the same, you want to support a team that buys titles/trophies and any player they want? there are 2-3 clubs I could suggest
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
We had a stadium to pay for. Poch was party to the decision to spend our funds on upping wages (to keep players) rather than on new signings.
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Luka Modric
I’ve had legitimate conversations on here with many, many people, over many, many years. Not sure I’ve ever told a single one of them to fudge off.
Apologies that my response to you was a little flippant. It’s just that I find it quite amusing to read posts that make it all seem so easy for our manager (always with a large dollop of hindsight of course). I think some forget that this is the only manager in our entire history to take us to the final of the biggest European competition, the only manager we have ever had that achieved 4 top 4 finishes in a row, and he did this largely operating with one hand tied behind his back. He wasn’t perfect, nobody is. However I think some on here are disgustingly disrespectful of what he did for our club.
As for supporting another team, that is a very low blow old boy. I assume you are a true Spurs supporter, who has and has only ever had, one club? If so then you’d know that changing clubs isn’t an option. Of course I have no idea, having only met one or two posters from this forum, however I would be confident in saying that I have spent more money on following Spurs and seen more games live than all but perhaps 2 or 3 on here. I have had my ST for over 25 years now, and an away ST for several years as well.
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Luka Modric
Indeed, and do you think that was the right decision? Would Harry Kane still be here earning £60k a week for example?
I don’t think our decisions on transfer and wage budgets were wrong. Once the stadium went way over budget, Levy had to get the money from somewhere, as I don’t think the club could’ve carried £1 billion + of debt. Diverting transfer funds and wage budget to the stadium fund is completely expected.
My only point is that considering that wage and transfer budget, Poch over achieved and did so by quite a significant margin. I fail to see how anyone cannot agree with that.
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Luka Modric
If we have £100m plus sales then that should be enough to get us back to top 4 (although I expect Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool to all spend a lot more than that this summer).
It does mean that we might to buy clever though, i.e. be clever with a couple of bosmans like Willian and Kurzawa, and also look at players with 1 year on their contract like K0ch and Hopjberg.
Ndombele in some ways I would hate to see leave, as I think he has as much ability as Paul Gascoigne. Unfortunately though it seems he doesn’t have Gaza’s same will to win, and that is something that just cannot be taught.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
There is talk of clubs not going mad in spend due to “current” circumstances but we will see
I do think we will spend £150m though which is 5/6 bergwein level players which could really improve the squad
I’m also not convinced Chelsea have the money to spend that much and they have losses recently to manage. They also have a big squad despite the rumours which is an issue for them
United will spend but I’m not sure on what or who as their a club who haven’t had a plan for years. And their most recent signings have worked consistently which isn’t normal for any club.
pool will tweak the team but also shift some out so they will be trading and juggling hoping to get better in for those out (Shaquiri, Llallan and dingdongvick)
it’s a weird summer and no one knows what the real imo act of COVID will have. We’re in a great place though due out set up and wage structure.
I’ll be interested in what teams like Everton do as their cooking the books now with Usmanovs money and it’s going under the radar
Mate, it's more than flippant and I have been on this board a long time and through many iterations and haven't had to tell anyone to fudge off ..
You equate my point of view to some teenager playing video games and are offended by me telling you to find another club? Yes I know it's not an option, I've also supported the club for a long time and can have the money spent argument (I've lived in 8 countries and I fly to London to see games, so it's airline, hotel, +ticket costs for me), doesn't make me a "better" fan, just means I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it as I got older (just like some fans are lucky enough to be in London).
The rest of the conversation I'm not going to do .. you have your point of view and are not interested in counter points ..
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Luka Modric
Au contraire old boy. I always read other people’s points of view, I don’t have to agree with them however. Or do you think yours is the only point of view that counts? You think Poch had an easy job and under performed, I think the opposite. Either one of us could be right. You seem to be getting a little hot under the collar though. It’s also a little puzzling to see you say that I’m not interested in counter points as you then say ‘the rest of the conversation I’m not going to do’?
As it seems you are indeed a real, true lilywhite, Spurs fan, you’ll know it is an absurd suggestion to tell another fan to support another club.
Anyway, let me know the next time you’re over and what games(s) you’re going to and, home or away, I’ll buy you a beer and we can debate Poch, Jose, Levy, Ndombele, or whatever you choose, civilly over a drink.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
"Failure to adapt to changing circumstances.."?!!!!
What are you talking about?
The "changing circumstances" that saw him create a top 4 regular on a shoe-string, only to be expected to behave in year 4/5 like he did in year 1 i.e. you ultimately do what we tell you? I could go on...
thfcsteff
George Hunt
That would be the most ludicrous thing we could do. Well, one of them...
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Except that wasn't necessary. We had the man and systematically fudged it in the final two years of him being here. We didn't notice as much because we were still top 4.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
I don't want to veer this thread off topic (ah the irony considering the purpose of this thread!) but I don't see N'dombele + Dele working out long term in the same team / squad so one of them has gotta go in the long term IMO!
To bring it back to Poch, I don't want to use the term being a victim of his own success as I don't consider what he achieved as true success, how could it be considered as such without demeaning our days of actual glory? It's that issue of getting so close but knowing that he wasn't the man to take it that crucial next step. Maybe you could say it's chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow or that I have unrealistic ambitions of the club but I'm just always disappointed in us striving to be the bricky version of Arsenal that didn't win anything. However there was some great football and beautiful moments, just a shame that it always came with a crashing wave of disappointment when I feel like the quality was there to have made the final step.
I don't know if I posted on here to this effect but when he was touted I thought "He looks like a great project manager but is he a natural born winner?" and I think there's enough evidence to suggest that he is not. I was also aware of a few high cost (all relative I know) signings that hadn't panned out for him and as mentioned the big money gambles did not work. There's already been enough back and forth on this thread with esteemed posters who have a deeper understanding of finances / the market, I'd have to side with @Bedfordspurs when we look at the general quality of player brought in but also the condition of players by the time Poch was dismissed.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
If you can't comprehend simple English then I will spell it out for you in bite sized chunks.
The good: Phase 1 He came in. We already had a good base. He sorted out our squad. His first two seasons he recruited well. He forged us into a great team. We played fantastic football at a high tempo. He created a super club with everyone pulling in the same direction. Everyone believing in the project.
The bad: Phase2: World class training facilites. Fantastic new stadium being built.Team at the height of its powers. BUT we never won anything. Our recruitment was a shambles. No quality players purchased - even though we were CL regulars. Poch unable to improve hardly any of the many players bought in this Phase. Existing team breaking down - Walker sold, Dembele, Dier and Wanyama broken. Multiple injuries. Discipline breaking down.
The ugly: Phase 3: Poch losing it - starting imo at Burnley away. Team ageing and unable to cope with double training sessions. Players losing form. Many different formations tried. Unrest apparent but masked by flukey run to CL final. Poch exacerbating situation by sounding off in press . No coherent transfer strategy with lack of quality recruits and zero succession planning.Team form now essentially relegation standard. Poch's last throw of the dice was to splash mega cash on players he then said wouldn't be ready for 18 months to two years! His transfer dealings over Phase 2 and 3 finally comes back to haunt him despite spending over £400m during his tenure on new players. Levy has had enough.