Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I think we need some perspective, we've played real, Dortmund, juve, twice each this season and lost one game, narrowly at that.
First defeat since city
I think we need some perspective, we've played real, Dortmund, juve, twice each this season and lost one game, narrowly at that.
Exactly, a lot of positives from last night are being lost imv.First defeat since city
I dont think perspective is needed because Poch himself claims to be aiming for CL titles and PL titles so this is the level we have to be winning at. You have to be critical and realise your mistakes/weaknesses or youre never going to improve. Also the issue with Poch and subs is nothing new, this isnt a reaction to the Juve game - its consistently raised by many on here during and after games. No one is hating on the guy, hes a young coach so has plenty to learn and will make plenty of mistakes and theres no harm in discussing them here without making it sound as if we dont love the guy....I think we need some perspective, we've played real, Dortmund, juve, twice each this season and lost one game, narrowly at that.
I dont think perspective is needed because Poch himself claims to be aiming for CL titles and PL titles so this is the level we have to be winning at. You have to be critical and realise your mistakes/weaknesses or youre never going to improve. Also the issue with Poch and subs is nothing new, this isnt a reaction to the Juve game - its consistently raised by many on here during and after games. No one is hating on the guy, hes a young coach so has plenty to learn and will make plenty of mistakes and theres no harm in discussing them here without making it sound as if we dont love the guy....
I was speaking in a wider context, that's why I never quoted anyone.
In that case, I agree I never thought we would win the CL, so I wanted to play as many of the big boys as we could and see how we did. We've had some great results, and proven that we can compete with the elite. Thats one mental hurdle, the next is to become as ruthless as the likes of Juve. Look forward to more enjoyable European nights like this next season....I was speaking in a wider context, that's why I never quoted anyone.
Agree, I dont get why so many downplay the importance of winning trophies on here.....Me personally, I love this team and love watching us play. And it is true just the fact that we are competing with the likes of Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea is an achievement in itself given the resources of each respective club. Money aside though, the fact is we have built a team that is more than a match for every team in the league, Emirates Marketing Project aside as their squad is unreal (Bernardo Silva wasn't even getting a game until recently! He would walk into every other team IMO).
I'm not a big fan of Alan Shearer as a pundit on the whole but he spoke a lot of sense after Chelsea beat us in the FA cup last season. He said we shouldn't be happy just to be competing with the top teams, we need to be winning trophies. I'm all for giving Poch all the time he needs within reason but the Leicester season was two seasons ago so there has to be progression. We have definitely improved our form in the CL that goes without saying. Our league form is hard to really quantify as we are playing away from WHL so it's hard to be too critical. The FA Cup however is still all to play and we have to consider ourselves one of the heavy favourites. If we beat Swansea but lose in the Semis again or lose to Swansea then that will show me that we haven't improved ENOUGH when it comes to mentality in big knockout games.
Agree, I dont get why so many downplay the importance of winning trophies on here.....
I remember having a discussion on here on more than one occassion about how winning trophies arent important in order to keep our players. I think it is important for that reason, and also because we are never going to have a true winning mentality if we dont physically win anything. I agree the League Cup on its own wouldnt be sufficient, but could well be the catalyst for more prestigious trophies nonetheless....It depends entirely on the context of the discussion tbh
Don't think anyone thinks winning trophies aren't important but in the context of what's more important for our development as a team (for example) i would say we have grown more from our CL campaigns than we would have had we swapped them for a couple of league cups - trouble is someone who is unable to apply context or rationally take on board opinions different to their own will ignore the context put forward and just say that you don't care about trophies and you're happy being a runner up rather than a winner or whatever - see it all the time on here and elsewhere.
Who on here says 'Spurs' when talking about us as a loyal fan?
Just couldn't help himself rub it in a little. Let his facade drop for a moment.
A cut a dry Goon WUM. Would be welcome here if he was simply honest. But such is the calibre of some of those lot.
I agree with all you say, the trouble is does Poch think that's his "in game management" is wrong ? if he thinks he is right then he would change or learn, and what are the other coaches saying to him before/during/after the games ?I dont think perspective is needed because Poch himself claims to be aiming for CL titles and PL titles so this is the level we have to be winning at. You have to be critical and realise your mistakes/weaknesses or youre never going to improve. Also the issue with Poch and subs is nothing new, this isnt a reaction to the Juve game - its consistently raised by many on here during and after games. No one is hating on the guy, hes a young coach so has plenty to learn and will make plenty of mistakes and theres no harm in discussing them here without making it sound as if we dont love the guy....
I dont think perspective is needed because Poch himself claims to be aiming for CL titles and PL titles so this is the level we have to be winning at. You have to be critical and realise your mistakes/weaknesses or youre never going to improve. Also the issue with Poch and subs is nothing new, this isnt a reaction to the Juve game - its consistently raised by many on here during and after games. No one is hating on the guy, hes a young coach so has plenty to learn and will make plenty of mistakes and theres no harm in discussing them here without making it sound as if we dont love the guy....
I remember having a discussion on here on more than one occassion about how winning trophies arent important in order to keep our players. I think it is important for that reason, and also because we are never going to have a true winning mentality if we dont physically win anything. I agree the League Cup on its own wouldnt be sufficient, but could well be the catalyst for more prestigious trophies nonetheless....
In that case, I agree I never thought we would win the CL, so I wanted to play as many of the big boys as we could and see how we did. We've had some great results, and proven that we can compete with the elite. Thats one mental hurdle, the next is to become as ruthless as the likes of Juve. Look forward to more enjoyable European nights like this next season....
Me personally, I love this team and love watching us play. And it is true just the fact that we are competing with the likes of Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea is an achievement in itself given the resources of each respective club. Money aside though, the fact is we have built a team that is more than a match for every team in the league, Emirates Marketing Project aside as their squad is unreal (Bernardo Silva wasn't even getting a game until recently! He would walk into every other team IMO).
I'm not a big fan of Alan Shearer as a pundit on the whole but he spoke a lot of sense after Chelsea beat us in the FA cup last season. He said we shouldn't be happy just to be competing with the top teams, we need to be winning trophies. I'm all for giving Poch all the time he needs within reason but the Leicester season was two seasons ago so there has to be progression. We have definitely improved our form in the CL that goes without saying. Our league form is hard to really quantify as we are playing away from WHL so it's hard to be too critical. The FA Cup however is still all to play and we have to consider ourselves one of the heavy favourites. If we beat Swansea but lose in the Semis again or lose to Swansea then that will show me that we haven't improved ENOUGH when it comes to mentality in big knockout games.
It depends entirely on the context of the discussion tbh
Don't think anyone thinks winning trophies aren't important but in the context of what's more important for our development as a team (for example) i would say we have grown more from our CL campaigns than we would have had we swapped them for a couple of league cups - trouble is someone who is unable to apply context or rationally take on board opinions different to their own will ignore the context put forward and just say that you don't care about trophies and you're happy being a runner up rather than a winner or whatever - see it all the time on here and elsewhere.