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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves; Poch will only be courted by one of these giants if he wins something with us, like a league title or champions league. Bayern's last few managers have won everything, same for Real Madrid (apart from Zidane, who is in the process of winning everything!)

If one of these clubs ends up wanting Poch, we will have been very successful in the meantime.
But if we've been very successful in the meantime, would Poch want to leave? If he's looking for success, but has already achieved it at Spurs, what would the lure be to move to a "bigger" club? (and bigger is in quotes, because we might be one of the big clubs by that time)

I don't know the guy, but if the above happens, I wouldn't be surprised if he looked for the next project: a team that he can build from the ground up, like he is doing with Spurs.
 
But if we've been very successful in the meantime, would Poch want to leave? If he's looking for success, but has already achieved it at Spurs, what would the lure be to move to a "bigger" club? (and bigger is in quotes, because we might be one of the big clubs by that time)

I don't know the guy, but if the above happens, I wouldn't be surprised if he looked for the next project: a team that he can build from the ground up, like he is doing with Spurs.

Money, worldwide exposure, a chance to coach the best, etcetera. Our new stadium, twinned with possible success, might lift us up to a level where we can match Arsenal in terms of wages, player quality and global brand recognition...but there's still a long way to go from there to matching the likes of Real and Bayern in terms of profile and the quality of the squads they have, or even to matching United (in terms of the revenue they generate).

He might well choose to stay, but our long-term contingency planning should always be based on the likely possibility that he ends up leaving - in which case, preserving the squad and finding a manager with a similar playing style and ability to generate squad togetherness should be top of the list. Especially preserving the squad - the benefits of having a manager like Poch are obvious, but the drawbacks are that players can get extremely attached to the gaffer and his methods, which raises the danger of them agitating to join him if/when he makes that move up. We used that to our advantage when bidding for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez upon Poch's arrival here - looking coldly and dispassionately at the possibility of the man leaving one day, it's quite possible that the same thing may happen to us down the line.
 
Money, worldwide exposure, a chance to coach the best, etcetera. Our new stadium, twinned with possible success, might lift us up to a level where we can match Arsenal in terms of wages, player quality and global brand recognition...but there's still a long way to go from there to matching the likes of Real and Bayern in terms of profile and the quality of the squads they have, or even to matching United (in terms of the revenue they generate).

He might well choose to stay, but our long-term contingency planning should always be based on the likely possibility that he ends up leaving - in which case, preserving the squad and finding a manager with a similar playing style and ability to generate squad togetherness should be top of the list. Especially preserving the squad - the benefits of having a manager like Poch are obvious, but the drawbacks are that players can get extremely attached to the gaffer and his methods, which raises the danger of them agitating to join him if/when he makes that move up. We used that to our advantage when bidding for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez upon Poch's arrival here - looking coldly and dispassionately at the possibility of the man leaving one day, it's quite possible that the same thing may happen to us down the line.
As I said, I don't know the man, but from his demeanor he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who is looking for exposure. As far as the money is concerned, I'm pretty sure we can match whatever wage he is offered. And when it comes to coaching the best, it seems to me that he prefers players who have the right attitude and the talent to coach them into being the best. If we get into Arsenal echelons of big clubs, we would be able to attract much more young raw talent than we currently do, which is what Poch likes to work with.

But I do agree we should have a succession plan in place. And the most important thing is to get a manager with the right philosophy who is aligned with the chairman (and vice versa). Even if we lose half the team, with the right manager we can rebuild. After all, that's what Poch did in his first couple of seasons and it hasn't turned out too shabby.
 
As I said, I don't know the man, but from his demeanor he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who is looking for exposure. As far as the money is concerned, I'm pretty sure we can match whatever wage he is offered. And when it comes to coaching the best, it seems to me that he prefers players who have the right attitude and the talent to coach them into being the best. If we get into Arsenal echelons of big clubs, we would be able to attract much more young raw talent than we currently do, which is what Poch likes to work with.

But I do agree we should have a succession plan in place. And the most important thing is to get a manager with the right philosophy who is aligned with the chairman (and vice versa). Even if we lose half the team, with the right manager we can rebuild. After all, that's what Poch did in his first couple of seasons and it hasn't turned out too shabby.

Well, demeanors can change, after all - he seems like a fairly reserved, considerably professional man to me, so what he's looking for (exposure or the freedom afforded by a lower profile) isn't something we're likely to be privy to anytime soon. He's likely to keep his cards close to his chest in that regard.

Wage wise, yeah, once the stadium comes up and (hopefully) some success comes with it, I think we'll be able to offer him a fairly competitive wage - Wenger-level, certainly. But some managers earn even more than that (http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/) - Wenger earns more or less 55% of what Pep (the current highest-paid manager, according to that list) does. I imagine two or three years of continuous football inflation won't help those sorts of figures, and ultimately if a sugar-daddy or superclub wants Poch, I think the salary they can offer won't be one Levy will match unless he's so sure of him being a Ferguson-type that he goes beyond even what Arsenal are willing to pay their legendary boss.

Finally, sure, Poch seems like someone who's happiest when he's out on the training field coaching young, hungry players without egos or undue airs. But he is also near the head of his profession - I think every good professional is driven deep down to see if he or she can make their names by taking on the biggest challenges and working alongside (and possibly over) the best talent in the business to tackle those challenges. Being happiest working with talented youngsters might not factor into any future decision to test himself at the highest level with a squad of superstars who could potentially help him build a truly *legendary* team, if they all settle into playing his way.

I entirely agree with you on the approach we need to take in terms of contingency planning for the possibility of him leaving. I'd like if we could prevent half the team leaving with Poch (ultimately, they are playing for the club, not the manager), but I recognize that they might have very good cause to have strong ties to him given the way he's shaping their careers. In that case, having a manager Levy can trust to the same extent (or as close to the same extent) as Poch will be key, whether we're consolidating or rebuilding.

Anyway, that *is* all in the future - hopefully it won't come to pass, and if it does, it will hopefully be after he's brought a lot of success and happiness to the club. ;) Just think we shouldn't let ourselves go in terms of loving Poch (and he *is very lovable :p ) to the extent that we stop contemplating the possibility of him leaving - because it'll only end up hurting us if he does. Happened to me with Bale, which is why I'm circumspect about nearly everyone now (well, save for Harry, anyway)...despite my fondness and admiration for this team and this manager.
 
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I'm not convinced Poch will leave to ultimately want to build a legendary team with supposed 'top' players. I would imagine he knows where he adds value. His methods work because he has a young and hungry squad that want to listen. Zidane works at Madrid because he has a squad of superstars that don't need too much instruction, they just want someone they respect to be responsible for the decisions the team takes. Benitez didn't work there for the same reasons. Maybe Poch will one day try his hand, but I don't think it will be until he has seen through the job with us, maybe towards the end of his career.

With that said, we should be scouting the next Poch. Ones that will be ready in a year. The ones that will be ready in 3 years. 5 years. Similar playing styles. Similar focus on youth. Similar leadership ability. Similar tactical flexibility.
 
To be honest i can not see Poch wanting to leave us in the near future, i may be wishful thinking but he is building something here and if we keep progressing like we are then he will see it through. Imagine if he turns us into a top side that wins things ( something we have not been able to do for years) then his profile will blossom and i would imagine he would be able to name his price at any team.
 
To be honest i can not see Poch wanting to leave us in the near future, i may be wishful thinking but he is building something here and if we keep progressing like we are then he will see it through. Imagine if he turns us into a top side that wins things ( something we have not been able to do for years) then his profile will blossom and i would imagine he would be able to name his price at any team.

People forget the appeal of London and being in control of your own destiny

He has control over everything that matters to him here and he wouldn't have that at any bigger side
 
I'm not convinced Poch will leave to ultimately want to build a legendary team with supposed 'top' players. I would imagine he knows where he adds value. His methods work because he has a young and hungry squad that want to listen. Zidane works at Madrid because he has a squad of superstars that don't need too much instruction, they just want someone they respect to be responsible for the decisions the team takes. Benitez didn't work there for the same reasons. Maybe Poch will one day try his hand, but I don't think it will be until he has seen through the job with us, maybe towards the end of his career.

With that said, we should be scouting the next Poch. Ones that will be ready in a year. The ones that will be ready in 3 years. 5 years. Similar playing styles. Similar focus on youth. Similar leadership ability. Similar tactical flexibility.

A few well thought of coaches in Germany

I like what Rowett was doing at Birmingham
 
i look forward to reading back through this thread when we have a rough year or two while we are at Wembley and then bedding in to the new ground
 
People forget the appeal of London and being in control of your own destiny

He has control over everything that matters to him here and he wouldn't have that at any bigger side

Both good points, he also seems to get on ( and get support) from Levy so i see no reason or rush for him to leave.
 
Mauricio Pochettino said none of his Tottenham Hotspur players has been tempted by offers from the Chinese Super League and expressed his relief he did not face a situation of the kind Chelsea have with Diego Costa.

Pochettino has watched in amazement as leading players have signed for clubs in China – and many more have been the subject of lucrative offers, including Costa.

Chelsea fear the striker has been tempted by the proposal from an unnamed Chinese club, which would pay him £30m a year and Antonio Conte left him out of the squad who won at Leicester City on Saturday. Conte insisted after the game that it was because Costa had a back injury.

Pochettino said the Chinese had “broken” the market with their ability to make such extraordinary offers and he suggested that when such money was on the table it was difficult to refuse. Thankfully for him, none of his players has been targeted.

“Have there been any offers from China for my players? No,” Pochettino said. “My reaction to the Costa story was indifference because, luckily, it is not my problem. What can you do when an offer like this arrives from a country that is like this? It’s crazy money. It looks like they broke the market. If the offer to Costa is true, it’s unbelievable, unbelievable. But we will see what happens.”

Pochettino believes the atmosphere he has created at Spurs means his players are focused on the prize of the Premier League trophy and nothing else. Tottenham’s 4-0 home win over West Bromwich Albion made it six league victories in a row, although Spurs remain seven points behind the leaders, Chelsea.

“We are together, every player is happy and part of our Tottenham family, and we have a very good atmosphere around the club,” Pochettino said.

“Our supporters are amazing and there is a very good mix between the supporters, the players and the staff. It’s amazing, day by day, how we feel and how we live at the training ground – that is an important thing, in the end, to try to win big things. It’s an advantage for us.”

Pochettino will take his team to Emirates Marketing Project on Saturday in confident mood, saying Spurs fear no one. “We are showing after 21 games we can compete with everybody and we are in a very good position,” he said. “It is true the gap with Chelsea is still big but there are a lot of games ahead until the end of the season.”

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...uper-league-broken-market-no-offers-tottenham
 
The way he speaks of his players not being money hungry and fighting gives a great insight into the man.

I think unless if he and levy fall out he may just be here for a long time.

How the dingdong have got this lucky?
 
Read this article, he has been close for awhile but he is now ahead of Burkinshaw and Venables, he had already inched ahead of Jol and is now my favourite spurs manager ever.

His comments on twitter are outstanding, what a classy guy.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/spurs-boss-mauricio-pochettino-explains-isnt-twitter-la-nacion/

Whilst some high profile Premier League managers have social media accounts, for example Ronald Koeman is on Twitter and Pep Guardiola is on Facebook and Instagram, Mauricio Pochettino has no social media presence.

The Spurs boss explains: “I enjoy my job, it captivates me, and I know that it calls for great care in the way you transmit your messages. You are a public figure and people demand things from you, I know. But I feel comfortable saying the bare minimum, which is what I naturally feel I should say.”

Pochettino adds: “I know I could sell myself better, go to hundreds of places, open a Twitter account, and upload photos and say: ‘I’m here or I’m there’. But to me, this is something shallow and superficial; Now, I respect others that do it. If you feel comfortable doing it, then great… The recognition I get from loved ones, my friends, and family, is enough… I don’t need millions of followers on Twitter to be happy.”
 
Pochettino adds: “I know I could sell myself better, go to hundreds of places, open a Twitter account, and upload photos and say: ‘I’m here or I’m there’. But to me, this is something shallow and superficial; Now, I respect others that do it. If you feel comfortable doing it, then great… The recognition I get from loved ones, my friends, and family, is enough… I don’t need millions of followers on Twitter to be happy.”
This is music to my ears. I love this man.

I work in IT and have the usual twitter/facebook/twitbook/facefudge/linkedtaco/tacoface/instafudge/etc accounts and I hate every one of them. I see them as necessary evil for work. This forum is about as close as I get to social media and thankfully I don't know any of you weirdos personally (just messing I love you all). I won't let my kids near that social media brick either though eventually I'll probably get overrun through weight of numbers. Maybe I'll do a Horatius and turn off the WIFI before they get me ;).
 
Do people think Poch has adjusted our press this season?
Are we using our possession game to create 'downtime' for the players and choose our periods when we press?
As i've always said, i have fears over the 'pressing' method we employ and that eventual late-season burnout will constantly be an achilles heal for us...

Thoughts?
 
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