I'd encourage you to watch all the Bayern goals again, and analyse with an open mind which were caused by the diamond (directly or indirectly). I've looked at them numerous times, and it's really only the first IMO that can be attributed to it (and even then it's not the main cause IMO).
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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I'd encourage you to watch all the Bayern goals again, and analyse with an open mind which were caused by the diamond (directly or indirectly). I've looked at them numerous times, and it's really only the first IMO that can be attributed to it (and even then it's not the main cause IMO).
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I think it would make a big difference.
Having a few days extra to get up to speed on the squad, the injuries, the current fitness - introduce yourself and your ideas, hell - even to have a chance to learn where everything is and who everyone is - I think it makes a big difference. I would also think any incoming manager would be hugely grateful for any extra moment they have to work.
I agree with you on the PR. The club would want it to go through as quietly/quickly as possible, so in/around internationals makes a lot of sense.
Like SylDave says, IMO he has until Liverpool before things get really looked at.
And as Glenda says, (I had forgotten), he is out of the country right now so that would be a reason to wait.
SylDave
Jason Dozzell
The Bayern assistant manager said after the game to the media they sat on the bench and saw our tactics and were happy to stay solid and just complete short passes as our tactics were unsustainable for more than 30-40 minutes max and they knew exactly what would happen, Hoddle was saying the exact same thing on commentary from 10 minutes into the match, yet our bench apparently could not see any of this.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
MAURICIO POCHETTINO is just one defeat from the sack, according to former Tottenham star Tony Cascarino.
Slight deviation, but unless I have total amnesia..that tw*t never played for us did he?
Slight deviation, but unless I have total amnesia..that tw*t never played for us did he?
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
That's all very well but Bayern could have three down by then.
It looks good now but if son had scored at the rate gnarby who looks stupid.
As for hoddles comments, fine but again the quick start go three up and sit back has basically been Liverpool's tactics for long enough.
That doesn't mean (IMO) that their 7 goals were because of the diamond. The Bayern staff were lucky (from a tactical point of view) that their players' finishing was better than ours in the first half, and then in the second half (when we were no longer playing the diamond) their goals were all down to our individual errors, mostly from Aurier (who I don't think had to do any extra running the diamond).
Anyway it's a bit of a moot point, but as I said if you have an open mind on this stuff then I'd encourage you to watch their goals again.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
When the fudge was he ever a star?
SylDave
Jason Dozzell
Who says we wouldn’t have completely collapsed again in the second half even if we scored two or three, it’s not like starting fast and throwing away leads has become any kind of a pattern with us and the diamond has it.
SylDave
Jason Dozzell
Aurier was crap no one can try to defend him, but both the full backs and Winks are being left to hang out to dry by the system imo.
And the second half tactics again says a lot, after the pen we looked solid and were in the game, then our subs handed the initiative back to them.
I'll say it again - go back and watch the Bayern goals, I really don't think that's true! Check my previous posts - there's one where I've got a YouTube link to each and every goal
Edit: Otherwise all we're doing on this forum is repeatedly stating our contrasting opinions, without actually looking at the evidence or trying to find common ground.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
He'll do no better than Mourinho or Van Gaal at United.
He is terrible at buying players and has been since he brought Daniel Osvaldo in at Southampton.
The only player he wanted and has brought in that worked out is Alderweireld.
United have no DOF and are a mess.
He won't be able to deal with the media focus on every decision he makes as United manager.
We saw how tetchy and tinkled off he got in the last 6 months here.
And with reports about how controlling and authoritative he is around the training ground. Not giving players any time off.
These are the same player that had 3 years of Mourinho. They wont want more of the same.
That's why Solskjaer worked for them briefly.
He is terrible at buying players and has been since he brought Daniel Osvaldo in at Southampton.
The only player he wanted and has brought in that worked out is Alderweireld.
United have no DOF and are a mess.
He won't be able to deal with the media focus on every decision he makes as United manager.
We saw how tetchy and tinkled off he got in the last 6 months here.
And with reports about how controlling and authoritative he is around the training ground. Not giving players any time off.
These are the same player that had 3 years of Mourinho. They wont want more of the same.
That's why Solskjaer worked for them briefly.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
If's and buts, who knows.
But if I was a Bayern fan reading that I'd be a bit worried, after all we created 4 really good chances 1v1 with the keeper. If you're coach is thinking that's fine and keep playing that way then fair play, I'd be raging.
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
Clear the throat talks?
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
What was that table trying to show?
Just how unusual our situation is (in terms of having a squad and manager who've been together for ages without winning a trophy), and how that might lead to a lack of energy / motivation / belief - and that that might be one of the main causes of our issues this season.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Hilarious headline clickbait at it's best
I wonder how long the title will remain as "former Totenham" before it's changed?
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
I agree with a lot of this. I’ve thought often over the last year that Poch would really struggle with the media pressure at a club bigger than ours.
SylDave
Jason Dozzell
I couldn’t argue with that to a from a Bayern point of view to a certain extent, but it still says a lot they were content to let it happen, I think it was Nayim who said this after the game on the Bayern topic, we played like a lower league team running around like maniacs for 30-40 minutes then their class took over, but here is the thing the team we could put out are their equals, the team was setup badly.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
They certainly do act and behave like a cult. Can’t deny it works for them though. Not that I would want our club to behave like them but I do wish we we had their belief. It also must come from being successful. Similar to Real Madrid. They’ve had so much success that they have become accustomed to it.
The big conundrum for us is how to we become consistently successful? You don’t get that winning mentality unless you actually win things, on a consistent basis. I think @DubaiSpur made the point, only Spurs could have a shot of winning every major trophy on offer (except the Europa league) in a 5 year period and win absolutely none of them.